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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #25498 08/11/06 02:08 AM 08/11/06 02:08 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: I was about to stop at three coats (the black is very opaque and provide excellent coverage when evenly applied - even when slightly thinned) but my wetsanding has revealed 2 or 3 of the tiniest thin spots. My last coat will be undiluted for just a little bit heavier top layer. I tried a fourth coat full strength, but I don't think I was laying on heavy enough. By the time eveything was spread and I started tipping, it was a bit too tacky, and not quite thick enough to cover in some spots. I did the thinner-soaked roller trick to level and gloss everything out. Looks better, but I wish I'd layed on more heavily to begin with. One interesting bonus of full-strength application seems to be a distinct lesser number of bubbles.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Exit1965] #25499 08/11/06 05:07 PM 08/11/06 05:07 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	What's your procedure for keeping the refillable spray can clean? I've have one for about a year, but only used it for solvents. Seems as if the rustoleum would be difficult to remove (I've tried cleaning it off other items with acetone and it's a painful process).

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #25500 08/11/06 06:26 PM 08/11/06 06:26 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 25,050 Texas GoodysGotaCuda 5.7L Hemi, 6spd
GoodysGotaCuda 5.7L Hemi, 6spd Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 25,050 Texas	Cutting through orange peel? My very first coat is on my duster. i have a couple roller lines and some peel. I have to sand the entire car, currently i'm looking to get the car decently covered in one color. i'm not aiming for a awesome quality paint job. I'm wondering if i can run dry 400grit to cut down on time, or is wet 600 the way to go? thanks

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #25501 08/11/06 06:27 PM 08/11/06 06:27 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,378 Rancho Cordova, CA Exit1965 master
Exit1965 master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,378 Rancho Cordova, CA	Quote: What's your procedure for keeping the refillable spray can clean? I've have one for about a year, but only used it for solvents. Seems as if the rustoleum would be difficult to remove (I've tried cleaning it off other items with acetone and it's a painful process). The paint inside seems to keep fine (I've had it in there a week or more in heat), the only thing I do is when I'm done painting, turn it over and spray so it cleans the passage out with air. Before using, I run some acetone through the nozzle (as best I can) and scrape away any paint I can, then it's good to go. Last edited by Exit1965; 08/11/06 06:28 PM.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #25502 08/11/06 06:29 PM 08/11/06 06:29 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,378 Rancho Cordova, CA Exit1965 master
Exit1965 master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,378 Rancho Cordova, CA	Try wet 400. Dry seems to load up the paper.. wet is the way to go. I've done a whole car with a single piece of 800 grit paper, as long as you rinse it off every once in awhile it'll be fine.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Exit1965] #25503 08/11/06 09:23 PM 08/11/06 09:23 PM
Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 387 Oakland california, USA Dart360sav super street
Dart360sav super street Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 387 Oakland california, USA	Exit is the nossle your speaking of from the krylon can just a regular spray paint nossle? If so you should look into useing the tips made by graffitti art companies, They make from very thin to very wide spraying caps that distribut very evenly for smooth lines

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Dart360sav] #25504 08/12/06 08:43 AM 08/12/06 08:43 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Hi Guys, I'm new to this forum and I read the previous thread up to page 21 before I decided to go ahead and tackle this. Lucky I have a some rocker panels to test on..however now I'm having some slight issue. So I put on the first cost just fine: http://www.ss14.net/tmp/firstcoat.jpg I let it dry overnight and when I put on the second coat...this happens: http://www.ss14.net/tmp/wha.jpg Anyone have an idea what I did wrong? It's as if the paint came off when rolling. Did I put too much mineral spirits in the mix? TIA P.S. I like the smilies

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #25505 08/12/06 09:57 AM 08/12/06 09:57 AM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,378 Rancho Cordova, CA Exit1965 master
Exit1965 master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,378 Rancho Cordova, CA	Quote: Hi Guys, I'm new to this forum and I read the previous thread up to page 21 before I decided to go ahead and tackle this. Lucky I have a some rocker panels to test on..however now I'm having some slight issue. So I put on the first cost just fine: http://www.ss14.net/tmp/firstcoat.jpg I let it dry overnight and when I put on the second coat...this happens: http://www.ss14.net/tmp/wha.jpg Anyone have an idea what I did wrong? It's as if the paint came off when rolling. Did I put too much mineral spirits in the mix? TIA P.S. I like the smilies That adhesion doesn't have anything to do with the % of mineral spirits, there must have been something on the surface that the paint didn't like. Don't know what that is because I haven't run into the problem myself. As for letting it dry overnight, consider letting it dry longer than that before recoating. The previous layer should be very dry before anything is put over the top of it, so 24 hours is a safe bet but can be longer depending on weather.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Exit1965] #25506 08/12/06 02:31 PM 08/12/06 02:31 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Quote: Hi Guys, I'm new to this forum and I read the previous thread up to page 21 before I decided to go ahead and tackle this. Lucky I have a some rocker panels to test on..however now I'm having some slight issue. So I put on the first cost just fine: http://www.ss14.net/tmp/firstcoat.jpg I let it dry overnight and when I put on the second coat...this happens: http://www.ss14.net/tmp/wha.jpg Anyone have an idea what I did wrong? It's as if the paint came off when rolling. Did I put too much mineral spirits in the mix? TIA P.S. I like the smilies That adhesion doesn't have anything to do with the % of mineral spirits, there must have been something on the surface that the paint didn't like. Don't know what that is because I haven't run into the problem myself. As for letting it dry overnight, consider letting it dry longer than that before recoating. The previous layer should be very dry before anything is put over the top of it, so 24 hours is a safe bet but can be longer depending on weather. Thanks for the reply, I was hoping I can finish the whole car over three days. But waiting a day for each layer means it will take a week to finish it. :/ Then again...the temperature outside will be 80+ so I think it will dry faster.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #25507 08/12/06 06:32 PM 08/12/06 06:32 PM
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 575 Canada Marq mopar addict
Marq mopar addict Joined: May 2006 Posts: 575 Canada	Quote: Anyone have an idea what I did wrong? It's as if the paint came off when rolling. Did I put too much mineral spirits in the mix? I agree. I don't think the mineral spirits are to blame. The problem here is that we don't know what steps you went through in preparation for the painting or what the condition of the substrata was when you started laying on the paint. For example, because that is an aero-effect I assume that it is plastic. Did you sand all the original paint down to the plastic or possibly just expose that one patch of plastic where the failure occured ? Did you primer the surface or go straight to paint ? Was there any previous paint on there that might have been different then the rest of the original paint on that part ? Like say where some scrapes were previously sprayed with and aerosol "color match up" spray bomb ? Did you wash down the sanded parts with water and a 'touch' of dish detergent ? Did you give the part a final wipe down with a rag and mineral spirit to get any potential contaminants, grease, oil from your hands or remnants of the sanded paint etc ? Was the part thoroughly dry before you added the first layer of paint ? ( It's amazing what a hint of water embedded in the previously sanded surface might do to affect adhesion. Dunno... I would probably sand that part smooth again... even if it meant removing the current coats of paint. Then... starting from scratch lay on a primer layer to begin with to ensure adhesion and a uniform color on to which to lay your paint color. I can't think of too many other factors that would have cause that paint to separate from the original layer although we did notice earlier in this thread where one of the chaps had problmes with the paint on his front 'plastic' bumper because the mold release agent ( for when the bumber was manufactured ) was able to act as a barrier between the paint and the bumper.. , . Last edited by Marq; 08/12/06 06:36 PM.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Marq] #25508 08/12/06 06:56 PM 08/12/06 06:56 PM
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 575 Canada Marq mopar addict
Marq mopar addict Joined: May 2006 Posts: 575 Canada	In preparation for the 'polishing' and 'waxing' of my Brightside paint job I finally concluded that I want a Porter & Cable 7424.... But I am a cheap b4st4rd and I really couldn't justify paying retail for one of those puppies. I was surfing over at the Corvette message forums and one of the guys had mentioned how he had picked up a 'refurbished' 7424 at his local Porter & Cable repair depots for $150 CDN ( $130 US$) and it came with a one year replacement guarantee. So I visited the Porter & Cable web site, located where their local 'repair and warranty' depot was in my area and was pleased to find out from a phone call that they have FIVE refurb units sitting in stock at the moment... for only $145 (CDN $ ) and with the full one year replacement warranty on them. Now... I have seen some advertisers on eBay listing them for about $119 US$ - and kits loaded up with pads for anywhere from $169 US$ up to $250 US$. Not including their shipping and handling charges. So I just thought I would mention this to anyone who is considering buying the Porter and Cable 7424 and don't want to pay full retail for the units to check out their nearest repair and warranty depot for that company. One nice thing about refurbs is that normally they are thoroughly gone over before they attempt to sell them. Whatever went bad has been replaced. Often when they replace a blown part they install a better or more cureent part. And with the one year warranty your butt is covered in case it smokes and dies. Just thought I would toss this info into our conversation in case anyone else is looking to get one of the most popular random obital sanders for polishing and waxing... . Last edited by Marq; 08/12/06 06:56 PM.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Marq] #25509 08/12/06 09:42 PM 08/12/06 09:42 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: For example, because that is an aero-effect I assume that it is plastic. Did you sand all the original paint down to the plastic or possibly just expose that one patch of plastic where the failure occured ? Yes its plastic and no I did not sand all the way down to the plastic. There are just two spots where that happened..but those are not the areas where I'm having that issue. Quote: Did you primer the surface or go straight to paint ? Went straight to the paint. Quote: Was there any previous paint on there that might have been different then the rest of the original paint on that part ? Like say where some scrapes were previously sprayed with and aerosol "color match up" spray bomb ? No previous paint, everything was original. Quote: Did you wash down the sanded parts with water and a 'touch' of dish detergent ? No, I washed down with mineral spirits, wiped with a lint-free cloth, then used a tack cloth before painting. Quote: Did you give the part a final wipe down with a rag and mineral spirit to get any potential contaminants, grease, oil from your hands or remnants of the sanded paint etc ? I was using latex gloves. I will admit I forgot to change them before painting. Quote: Was the part thoroughly dry before you added the first layer of paint ? ( It's amazing what a hint of water embedded in the previously sanded surface might do to affect adhesion. Completely dry before painting. Quote: Dunno... I would probably sand that part smooth again... even if it meant removing the current coats of paint. Then... starting from scratch lay on a primer layer to begin with to ensure adhesion and a uniform color on to which to lay your paint color. I can't think of too many other factors that would have cause that paint to separate from the original layer although we did notice earlier in this thread where one of the chaps had problmes with the paint on his front 'plastic' bumper because the mold release agent ( for when the bumber was manufactured ) was able to act as a barrier between the paint and the bumper.. Thank you for the reply and questions. It looks like I have to start over again..think goodness this was a test. I did however put on a third coat just to see what would happen. The other areas look fine and now I have a better grasp on how I should mix the paint and roll it on. Also the importance of wetsanding after say..the 2nd coat.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #25510 08/13/06 05:04 AM 08/13/06 05:04 AM
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 575 Canada Marq mopar addict
Marq mopar addict Joined: May 2006 Posts: 575 Canada	Quote: I was using latex gloves. I will admit I forgot to change them before painting. It sounds like you did everything right and so that makes that one little glitch seem all the more weird.. The only thing different was the use of latex gloves - although I can't really see them being at fault either. However I will talk about the latex gloves simply because it is an element that I have not personally used. I can think of only two types of latex gloves... the bright yellow dishwashing gloves ( although they are more closely akin to rubber gloves than latex.... or the medical style ( cheaper by the box condomish colored type latex gloves. I am not sure how either of those gloves would react chemically to mineral spirits or any other solvents. We already know that these solvents have the ability to eat away at certain foams used in the rollers over prolonged periods of exposure to the liquids. I know I am grasping at straws here... but possibly the exposure to the mineral spirits caused a breakdown in the latex/rubber and released something from the gloves that passed to the car part that you were painting. The only other thought is that the one difference between the kitchen type dishwashing yellow gloves and the box of 'cheaper by the box' type nurses latex gloves is that the latter type usually are packed in the box with a baby powder type coating to keep them from sticking to each other and to make it easier to slip your hand into the glove. There could be a slim chance that this powder on the gloves could be the type of contaminent that might interfere with the paint adhering properly. I don't really think this is a viable explanation for your problem because you appear to have done everything right and the wipe down with mineral spirits would have hopefully that powder 'if' these were the types of gloves worn. I do not know what the powder is in the 'cheaper by the box' type latex gloves... but imagine this if you will. Let us say that prior to the final mineral wipe some of this 'powder' transferred to the body part. And let us say that when the mineral swipe happened it simply spread the powder rather than lifted it. That would give the same kind of appearance that we see in your 'damage' picture. It looks like a swipe or movement in a direction. Now I agree that part of the explanation for the directional appearance of the swipe can be attributed to the direction of the roller when the second coat was being applied and lifted that section of the first coat. But... if the latex glove did chemically breakdown and release some contaminating chemical to the body part that was not removed during the mineral spirit breakdown... that might be a potential culprit or explanation... Dunno... I love a mystery. And since I do my wiping, sanding, painting etc barehanded, the gloves add a new element to the equation that I can't speak definitively from past experience on. So... what type of latex gloves were they ? . Last edited by Marq; 08/13/06 05:21 AM.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Marq] #25511 08/13/06 01:43 PM 08/13/06 01:43 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Well, I've been out of the loop for a while here but was spending some serious time working on the car. However, yesterday my neighbors started complaining about the car work, threatening to involved the homeowner's association. That was enough of a scare to my mom so she told me to stop all work on the car, get the bumpers back on and take the car to maaco. I'm really upset since I was only a few days from finishing my bodywork and starting on the painting. I did get 1 coat on the rear half of the car and had sprayed the door jambs. Everything was going well from my perspective but it looks like I won't be painting my car. It's sad to see my hard work going to hell all because of my stupid neighborhood. I've learned a valuable lesson though and once I do finally move out I'll be sure to avoid any house with such restrictions. It's been fun while it lasted but I won't get to join the ranks of those with completed cars.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #25512 08/13/06 02:14 PM 08/13/06 02:14 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I wouldn't let that stop you. I've painted cars in parking lots way back in high school. Drove the car in red and Drive out yellow. Just do a panel at a time anywhere you can. For anyone interested in Custom Colors..... Home Hardware (canada) had a paint called Armor Coat. Its Alkalyd Enamel. Same Base colors as Tremclad. You can get it mixed from their color chart any color you want 2-3 thousand combinations. I just repainted the scirocco from Med blue to Monaco Blue. This time I used a Wagner and a roller and it went on fast. You need the roller as the Wagner tends to "SPIT" paint at the most in-appropreate times. Going to let it cure for the week and then buff and wax. Or perhaps change the color again who knows 2842593-vwmonaco.jpg (439 downloads)

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #25513 08/13/06 02:16 PM 08/13/06 02:16 PM
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Exit1965 master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,378 Rancho Cordova, CA	Scirocco - How many coats do you put on with the Wagner?

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Exit1965] #25514 08/13/06 02:25 PM 08/13/06 02:25 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Two heavy coats. It went on nice for the most part. the only problem was when it ran low and spits paint . I had no issues with peel and it did atomize the paint well. I had that dry roller in hand for any little runs or "spits" found.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #25515 08/13/06 02:53 PM 08/13/06 02:53 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I have been following this thread since last May. Over my summer vacation from NC State my brother and I decided to paint his Camaro using this process. We got some of the car painted with a roller and we concluded that we couldn't finish before I left for Raleigh so we borrowed an HVLP spray gun and shot the rest of the paint. We sprayed two coats on the car outside and rolled the car in the garage after we finished spraying. the paint is rustoleum professional Royal blue and gloss white. I polished out the paint with a rotary buffer and a 3M hookit foam pad using the turtle wax polish suggested by 69charger. I'll let the pictures speak for themselves, but I will add that the color is a lot darker in person than it appears in the pics. 2842701-01010099.JPG (879 downloads)

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Anonymous Unregistered A	another pic... 2842708-01010100.JPG (737 downloads)

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Anonymous Unregistered A	last pic... that's my lil brother in the background 2842713-01010101.JPG (778 downloads)

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