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Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2545706
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Originally Posted By Raffaplymouth60
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Front looks too loose to me.
I can not see the 8s !!! ... incredible .. engine is too fast for the frame ... Tires is 29.5x11.50x15 .. tonight i will check the front shock calvert 90-10 if work properly




You need a double adjustable shock in the front, not that 90/10 thing.

You have no real way to control the front suspension.


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Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2545733
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opinion:Its not the hit thats the problem, its chassis control, she tries to hook hard at the hit it seems.
Do you have travel limiters up front?
Shock control in front looks to be toast/nada.
In my minds eye the reason shock adjustment on rebound isn't making any difference is due really poor front suspension control and, perhaps too much bottle too soon but, wont know that until front end is tightened up.
If you just have90/10 front shocks- are they adjustable at all- can you go to 70/30 and at least lengthen up the bump stops?
I would tighten up rebound on rear shocks as far as they would go and try to tighten up the front.
Man i wish you could find a set of scales.

It also appears you "might" still need a little more air pressure.
We have found here that tires actually need a bit more pressure than we used to think.

Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2545766
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I would try 6 flats of negative preload. big motors hit the cal tracks so hard they quickly rebound and lose traction maybe 12 flats negative.

Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2545952
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How old are the rear tires and how many runs on hem?


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Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2546206
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If you have Calvert's 90/10 front shocks, take them off and sell them and buy a decent DA shock. The Calvert 90/10s are WAYYY too loose. Any 90/10 is wrong for your car anyway.


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Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: madscientist] #2546325
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Originally Posted By madscientist
Originally Posted By Raffaplymouth60
Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
Front looks too loose to me.
I can not see the 8s !!! ... incredible .. engine is too fast for the frame ... Tires is 29.5x11.50x15 .. tonight i will check the front shock calvert 90-10 if work properly
oook ... im working for buy double adj shock !



You need a double adjustable shock in the front, not that 90/10 thing.

You have no real way to control the front suspension.


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1968 Dodge Charger RT 4 speed
Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2546326
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Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
If you have Calvert's 90/10 front shocks, take them off and sell them and buy a decent DA shock. The Calvert 90/10s are WAYYY too loose. Any 90/10 is wrong for your car anyway.
yes i have 90/10 Calvert..... why not work on my car ?????


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1968 Dodge Charger RT 4 speed
Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: Cab_Burge] #2546328
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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
How old are the rear tires and how many runs on hem?
29.5 11.50 15 MT with around 15 pass


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1971 Demon 572 7.82@176
1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible 345 Hemi
1958 Plymouth Fury Christine
2008 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi
1970 Dodge ChallengerRT 6pack 4 speed 1 of 135
1968 Dodge Charger RT 4 speed
Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: Dodgem] #2546329
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Originally Posted By Dodgem
I would try 6 flats of negative preload. big motors hit the cal tracks so hard they quickly rebound and lose traction maybe 12 flats negative.
now on the rear... qa1 double adjust all closed -6 compression -6 return


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1971 Demon 572 7.82@176
1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible 345 Hemi
1958 Plymouth Fury Christine
2008 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi
1970 Dodge ChallengerRT 6pack 4 speed 1 of 135
1968 Dodge Charger RT 4 speed
Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: RustyM] #2546332
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Originally Posted By RustyM
opinion:Its not the hit thats the problem, its chassis control, she tries to hook hard at the hit it seems.
Do you have travel limiters up front?
Shock control in front looks to be toast/nada.
In my minds eye the reason shock adjustment on rebound isn't making any difference is due really poor front suspension control and, perhaps too much bottle too soon but, wont know that until front end is tightened up.
If you just have90/10 front shocks- are they adjustable at all- can you go to 70/30 and at least lengthen up the bump stops?
I would tighten up rebound on rear shocks as far as they would go and try to tighten up the front.
Man i wish you could find a set of scales.

It also appears you "might" still need a little more air pressure.
We have found here that tires actually need a bit more pressure than we used to think.
very good info ...i Will let you know.. if I can find the balance ...which benefits with 70/30 instead 90/ 10 ??


1970 Cuda 496 street driven 9.22@150
1971 Demon 572 7.82@176
1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible 345 Hemi
1958 Plymouth Fury Christine
2008 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi
1970 Dodge ChallengerRT 6pack 4 speed 1 of 135
1968 Dodge Charger RT 4 speed
Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2546335
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Originally Posted By Raffaplymouth60
Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
If you have Calvert's 90/10 front shocks, take them off and sell them and buy a decent DA shock. The Calvert 90/10s are WAYYY too loose. Any 90/10 is wrong for your car anyway.
yes i have 90/10 Calvert..... why not work on my car ?????

They are too loose. Lets the front rise too fast unloading the rear.
I tried the Calvert 90/10s on my car a long time ago and it refused to hook w/ them...that was running mid 9s on motor. Put stiffer shocks back on and it went back to working good. Slowing that rate of front separation does a lot.

The Viking double adjustable shocks I have now are much better.


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'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2546350
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Bars need to be in the bottom hole, PERIOD!

It hits the tire hard then unloads

You need push not bang

Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2546363
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Originally Posted By Raffaplymouth60
Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
How old are the rear tires and how many runs on hem?
29.5 11.50 15 MT with around 15 pass

How old are they and do they sit outside in the sun light when not in use?


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Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2546395
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Cab is getting at something here, and I agree. The sidewalls are most likely killed from the combination of power/ weight, and running such low air pressure.
Put me in with the guys that suggest front shocks also.


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Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: Cab_Burge] #2546749
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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
Originally Posted By Raffaplymouth60
Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
How old are the rear tires and how many runs on hem?
29.5 11.50 15 MT with around 15 pass

How old are they and do they sit outside in the sun light when not in use?
No sun ... 1 year age


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1971 Demon 572 7.82@176
1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible 345 Hemi
1958 Plymouth Fury Christine
2008 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi
1970 Dodge ChallengerRT 6pack 4 speed 1 of 135
1968 Dodge Charger RT 4 speed
Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2546751
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Finally

Little bit less shot in 1 step 150 hp wide time from 1 step to 2 step before 2 sec.. now 3 sec ?

caltracs at bottom hole

new front shock Viking or AFCO

Torsion bars ??? is possible have drag racing torsion bars ?? mine is original from the car


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1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible 345 Hemi
1958 Plymouth Fury Christine
2008 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi
1970 Dodge ChallengerRT 6pack 4 speed 1 of 135
1968 Dodge Charger RT 4 speed
Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2546755
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What engine was in your car originally? Don't get the drag race torsion bars...they'll make it worse. Like a loose shock, a loose torsion bar is not what you want.

The Cal-Tracs in the bottom hole will soften the hit. I still think you need more air pressure. My car responded well to adding air pressure from 12 up to 14-15 psi.


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'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2546773
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Add weight to the trunk. If 70# on front hurt then add 100# to rear.

Re: Bad 60 FT with 70 lb more of Megablock on my Cuda [Re: Raffaplymouth60] #2546867
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I agree with an8sec70cuda here: Front shocks and front suspension is too loose/too fast in both planes.
Car tries to carry the front and certainly has the power, she seems to grip at the hit but- the front "bounces up, then drops down".
When coming down, it comes down too fast and, to far, when the car pivots forward on the front- rear is unloaded.
Granted it started to slip/spin at apex of front coming up.
Think of a piston at the top of the stroke- for a microsecond- it stops.
Same with the front end travel, it stops moving up and immediately starts down and that movement changes weight transfer.
We are working on one here with the same issues.
adjustable bump stops or travel limiters can help some but you really, really need adjustible shocks and- a set of dang scales.
If i could i would ship you a set to set up with.
Why?

lets say you car is on scales and this is what they say:

Lf- 946 RF- 796
LR-756 RR-848

car is left front, right rear heavy- really not good.
A QUARTER TO HALF TURN ON A TORSION BAR will pretty well level out the weight bias on the car.
the point is- it only takes a tiny bit of torsion bar misadjustment to have car unhappy.

Hope this helps.

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FWIW I've been a 1.33 60 ft. with Rancho 90-10 fronts and 5-ways out back but every car is different up to a point........

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