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Re: A12 Idle solenoid TROUBLESHOOTING problem [Re: LYNCHROAD69.5] #254523
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If you do have a bad voltage regulator, I think FBO Ignitions had the converted stock looking electronic regulators that look like the old points ones.


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1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
Re: A12 Idle solenoid TROUBLESHOOTING problem [Re: jbc426] #254524
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just an update to the problem, the J2 drk blue wire with tracer from ignition 1 that goes from the bulkhead in the engine compartment to the voltage regulator had a bad connection.
my good friend VCODE Bob came to my rescue with his little batman kit and saved the day. he has more knowledge than you want to know and a terrific guy.
he'll chime in and give the details but for now its fixed and running perfectly.

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Hey Chris (mr lucky)

This one gave me a run for the money
It was the J2 DBL/W wire at the firewall bulkhead.We found a bad connection.The wire was not making good contact where the wire is crimped to the male blade terminal inside the 8 wire connector.The J2 goes from the Ignition switch to the bulkhead then feeds the Regulator which in turn feeds the resistor,coil,alt,and solenoid.
Hope this helps someone


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GOOD NEWS!

Now take off those silly wheel disks.

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Hey Chris (mr lucky)

This one gave me a run for the money
It was the J2 DBL/W wire at the firewall bulkhead.We found a bad connection.The wire was not making good contact where the wire is crimped to the male blade terminal inside the 8 wire connector.The J2 goes from the Ignition switch to the bulkhead then feeds the Regulator which in turn feeds the resistor,coil,alt,and solenoid.
Hope this helps someone




So was it caused by the shorting of the solenoid wire, a bad connection or a combination of both?


MikeR

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Hey Chris (mr lucky)

This one gave me a run for the money
It was the J2 DBL/W wire at the firewall bulkhead.We found a bad connection.The wire was not making good contact where the wire is crimped to the male blade terminal inside the 8 wire connector.The J2 goes from the Ignition switch to the bulkhead then feeds the Regulator which in turn feeds the resistor,coil,alt,and solenoid.
Hope this helps someone




So was it caused by the shorting of the solenoid wire, a bad connection or a combination of both?


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my feeling is that the wire got hot and did something to the connector.i think the wire connector fitment might have been iffy to begin with and this just added to the problem.its a repro a12 wiring engine harness.

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its a repro a12 wiring engine harness.





Do you know who made the harness?

Re: A12 Idle solenoid TROUBLESHOOTING problem [Re: LimeliteAero] #254530
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GOOD NEWS!

Now take off those silly wheel disks.




I was thinking the more I see them the more I like them.


I can't afford this. mark
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GOOD NEWS!

Now take off those silly wheel disks.




I was thinking the more I see them the more I like them.




its funny you said that as i was looking at the car yesterday and they are reall growing on me.
Even VCODE Bob thought they looked pretty cool.
only 1 company makes the A12 engine wiring harness.

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My condition is fully BLOWN!!
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only 1 company makes the A12 engine wiring harness.





There are at least two companies that make the engine bay harnesses.

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only 1 company makes the A12 engine wiring harness.





There are at least two companies that make the engine bay harnesses.




thats true but only bill and rose evans sells the A12 engine wire harness.

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Re: A12 Idle solenoid TROUBLESHOOTING problem [Re: Snoopy] #254536
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I have read numerous posts on Moparts over the years concerning loose connections on some of the wiring harnesses built by Evans, that's why I asked the question.

Re: A12 Idle solenoid TROUBLESHOOTING problem [Re: Snoopy] #254537
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I have read numerous posts on Moparts over the years concerning loose connections on some of the wiring harnesses built by Evans, that's why I asked the question.




Yes , same here , I have an Evans harness and some of the connections pulled off . Plus the Evans harness does not duplicate the factory A12 harness .

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Is this the connection at the ballast resistor and is this a key activated 12 v power source?




Mike, the connection on the ballast resistor is for the COIL , the idle solenoid is connected to the voltage regulator .

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John,
Doesn't the idle solenoid plug into the special connector on the coil wire that plugs into the regulator?

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thats true but only bill and rose evans sells the A12 engine wire harness.




Sorry, But Frank Badalson/Roger Gibson also makes it and I've never heard any complaints about theres

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thats true but only bill and rose evans sells the A12 engine wire harness.




Sorry, But Frank Badalson/Roger Gibson also makes it and I've never heard any complaints about theres




It's the only correct one to my knowledge.

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I think you will find that Year One supplies the harnesses to Frank Badalson/Roger Gibson and they are made by M&H.

Having said that, it looks like he has added the label and seems to have a lower list price than Year One.

69EH This is the only correct 69 ½ engine harness available. Correct modifications unique
to the 1969 ½ 440-6 cars only. Furnished with correct part number tag $105.00
69EHS ………………….with solenoid wire……………………..$130.00
69EHSB ……….with ballast resistor to coil wire…………………….$140.00

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