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#2493921 - 05/09/18 10:27 AM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: Old Ray]
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I was having trouble with my vertical welds and asked Gene for advice which he kindly offered, not perfect (never is) but they are getting better, thanks Gene.

Once I had the two pieces located I did not want to move them until securely attached which meant working at floor level. I have to say that it took a major toll on a 74 year old body that also can't see all that well, but a least I'm still doing it.

Unfinished start of repair.


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#2494121 - 05/09/18 07:55 PM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: Old Ray]
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I'm happy to hear my suggestions helped.
You have a few years on me, but I can already feel the effects of getting older. Some things are getting tougher to do, but you just have to keep pushing through, or nothing will get done. Gene

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#2494299 - 05/10/18 08:19 AM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: poorboy]
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Originally Posted By poorboy
I'm happy to hear my suggestions helped.
You have a few years on me, but I can already feel the effects of getting older. Some things are getting tougher to do, but you just have to keep pushing through, or nothing will get done. Gene


well said gene !
beer

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#2497307 - 05/17/18 04:44 PM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: moparx]
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Dakota sub-frame to '56 plymouth frame splice with paint. Took much longer then expected (of course), welds not close to perfect but will do, rolling on the floor not easy for this old turd.

Question: Do you think two coats of paint will make for a stronger join ?

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#2497398 - 05/17/18 09:48 PM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: Old Ray]
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Originally Posted By Old Ray
Dakota sub-frame to '56 plymouth frame splice with paint. Took much longer then expected (of course), welds not close to perfect but will do, rolling on the floor not easy for this old turd.

Question: Do you think two coats of paint will make for a stronger join ?

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Yes! Two coats of paint will keep the rust at bay better then one coat of paint (and it looks better too), and one coat of paint is much better then no paint (unless you paint like I do). Gene

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#2501511 - 05/28/18 08:59 PM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: poorboy]
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Just a short update with info from another thread I posted here and some new issues, for anyone else doing a similar project. The 5.2 magnum installed into the frame (complete with attachments in probably a futile attempt to trick the computer) for the first time (of many) in the original location (wishful thinking), it sits to far forward, so re-positioning plates are fabricated and moves the engine 6 inches to the rear. Re-install and see that the engine now sits very high, looks like I can get it a inch lower by re-drilling the motor mount long bolts holes (small block GM bolts fit and cheap), and see that one of the re-positioning plate is too close to the oil pan, so remove drill and and trim. To be continued.

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Edited by Old Ray (05/28/18 09:01 PM)
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#2505691 - 06/07/18 05:03 PM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: Old Ray]
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....waiting for parts,....did the exhaust this week. (Oh, my shop is a mess.) tsk


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#2505846 - 06/08/18 07:58 AM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: Old Ray]
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[quote=Old Ray]....waiting for parts,....did the exhaust this week. (Oh, my shop is a mess.) tsk

my shop is slooowly getting cleaned up, so don't feel too bad about yours. the exhaust looks like it turned out pretty nice.
beer

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#2510114 - 06/18/18 05:52 PM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: Old Ray]
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So; transmission crossmember installed AND:

A journey way way outside of my comfort circle.

I decided to try and fabricate my own shortened drive shafts. Have you ever had the feeling that maybe you shouldn’t be doing something. I have absolutely no idea if it will work, …..thought I had it all in phase until i forgot that mother mopar uses a master spline on the slip yokes. Oh well, maybe plan B.


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#2510167 - 06/18/18 07:43 PM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: Old Ray]
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Why run a steady bearing? Why not just a one piece driveshaft? How long is the overall length?
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#2510197 - 06/18/18 08:54 PM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY]
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Originally Posted By CrAzYMoPaRGuY
Why run a steady bearing? Why not just a one piece driveshaft? How long is the overall length?


The internet (so it must be right, right?) says anything over 54 inch should be two piece, which I would have ignored, but the two piece was out of the donor Dakota and because the engine/trans sits high I think the extra u-joint helps spread out the downward angle (kind of like some 4 x 4 drive shafts. confused

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#2510211 - 06/18/18 09:26 PM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: Old Ray]
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I have a wide selection of Mopar 1 piece driveshafts that are well over 60" long. In fact, its pretty difficult to find them under 60" long. Longer driveshafts are simply a larger diameter. I have one out of a van that is over 72" long, but its about 4" in diameter. I have a 62" long driveshaft I built that has spent many years under a few big block dirt track cars. A longer then 54" one piece driveshaft has never been a problem. Gene

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#2510237 - 06/18/18 10:42 PM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: poorboy]
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Do you mean that the internet is wrong (or maybe I read it wrong) shocked

Can I use what I got if it doesn't vibrate too much? (not much chance of that.)

THANKS or all your input, I appreciate it, and just trying something new and different was kind of fun. Might just use the car as a tug around the yard, should be OK for that. eek

PS: Gene, you never told me that the engine in a Dakota is offset from the factory to the pass side?

Double PS: Please keep in mind that I live in "resume speed" Canada and parts are not readily available locally.


Edited by Old Ray (06/18/18 10:51 PM)

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#2510566 - 06/19/18 09:02 PM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: Old Ray]
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Yes, you can use the driveshaft you have.

Sorry, nearly all the modern era factory Mopar motors are offset to the right, as you are sitting in the car/truck, guess I never gave it any thought that others might not know that. Now someone is probably going to tell us the right had drive motors are offset to the left. The offset was originally for steering column clearance. Probably started when the V8 first showed up.

If you really look and start measuring, that Dakota crossmember under the motor is not centered between the frame rails either, it is also offset a couple inches towards the passenger side! It really becomes apparent when you try to center the front frame horns, one will be longer then the other, and at a different angle. The new frame horns and the Dakota's original frame and crossmember on my 39 pickup all looks pretty goofy hanging out where everyone might see them, good thing the grill shell and my hand made lower grill piece is hiding most of it. I'm trying to go fenderless with this pickup, fenders would have made things a lot easier, too bed the fenders I have are so rough. Gene

AH, what fun would it be if everything was easy? Yea, I know what your thinking, "It would be nice if at least some of the stuff was easy." I think "cheap", "easy", and "cars" are all mutually exclusive terms. They just don't fit together well. Gene

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#2510622 - 06/19/18 10:55 PM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: poorboy]
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Originally Posted By poorboy
The offset was originally for steering column clearance.


It still is, .......because I'm using the Dakota front frame and engine more or less in the original location I can see where the offset is required for clearance for the steering shaft to the rack.

Thanks for your help and assistance. up

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#2519390 - 07/08/18 11:45 PM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: Old Ray]
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So the plan was to use the gas tank out of the running Dakota donor but the tank was too wide to go in between the frame rails. A couple of days (or more) surfing the net looking for a tank that would take the Dakota fuel pump as it use a return line type of fuel injection (the limit of my knowledge). It use's a big dumb round nut to hold the pump in and I could never find a definitive answer just hints, that a Jeep Wrangler - YJ from 1987 to 1995 had the same nut. Both kind of Mopar-ish though and the dimensions were workable. Found a couple of used tanks on EBay but no one would ship to Canada, until a new listing said they would, ....by ......(WAIT FOR IT) ......United states postal service!

Built brackets and mounted the tank (took a week) and removed the Dakota pump, it is too tall, so now what? The OEM Jeep pump (would have to buy) has no return line so major re-plumbing would be required, so I disassembled the Dakota pump, the two haves of the pump bracket slide up and down from the factory (wonder why?). So I re-drilled the screw holes and shortened the pump casing. Will it work, who knows, but it fits the tank now. All of this took a lot longer then I can begin to tell you, a week ago I couldn't even spell fuel injection and now I am taking the pump apart, nuts.

The shortened pump and the jeep tank.
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#2519462 - 07/09/18 09:54 AM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: Old Ray]
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there is no reason i can think of your pump mods wouldn't work. in fact, i think you did good ! up that jeep tank looks like it belongs there.
beer

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#2527078 - 07/25/18 06:33 PM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: Old Ray]
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So, I wanted to use some wheels off a Mark 7 LSC on my plymouth wagon but the rear ones were in pretty bad shape. Couple of years ago I saw a ad on Kijiji for a guy doing powder coating so i sent him a email and some pictures and asked if he could fix them. He came back with, ………………………...quote: “Those are turds”.

I knew that, and that was why I was asking him, ….so much for customer service. I got around to looking closer at them and it was the clear coat that was blistering. I sanded it off and used some paint remover, so what do you think of my turds now? up Before and after.

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Edited by Old Ray (07/29/18 07:01 PM)

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#2528297 - 07/28/18 12:38 PM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: Old Ray]
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Nice work and a nice touch using the R/T center caps.

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#2528770 - 07/29/18 07:12 PM Re: New Rotisserie and Plymouth frame cut for Dakota sub-frame. [Re: mgoblue9798]
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Originally Posted By mgoblue9798
Nice work and a nice touch using the R/T center caps.


Thanks, they are not really R/T centre caps, they are the original LSC caps with R/T decals on them. Worked out well, but it was partly in self-defence, as I anticipated having to explain to those that noticed what LSC meant. smile

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