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SB 727 locked up #2491290
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Had the Duster at the track and second pass after the burnout car slowed at the hit and rear end hopped, drive shaft will not turn in any gear.
verified its not the rear end, fluid is clear and good, no issues with linkage checked convertor bolts. Thoughts?
this is on a 12.80 340 car any help would be great
I am going to talk to the guy who just rebuilt it in the AM but just searching for clues
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Re: SB 727 locked up [Re: Stroker Scamp] #2491408
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Output shaft seized in the rear support. First thing popped into my mind. I don't know how bad a roller clutch or gear set would have to come apart to lock the whole thing up.


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Re: SB 727 locked up [Re: CMcAllister] #2491736
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should also note that its got new sprag and billet front drum going to take it out this weekend


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Re: SB 727 locked up [Re: Stroker Scamp] #2491746
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Guess I’d be dropping the pan to see if it hatched a porcupine egg. If you’ve seen a major trans failure and the ensuing mayhem stuck to the magnet, you’ll know what I’m talking about.

Re: SB 727 locked up [Re: J_BODY] #2491758
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Yup, the pan will come off first. Question. is there anything that can come out of place and make this happen? No trans guy I am


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CM’s scenario is a possibility..... I can’t think of anything off hand that isn’t the result of a major part failure. We’ll be waiting to see what is discovered.

Re: SB 727 locked up [Re: Stroker Scamp] #2491864
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Sounds to me like you may have been unlucky and lucky at the same time.


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Re: SB 727 locked up [Re: Stroker Scamp] #2492019
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If the fluid's clean, it's not a friction element(s) welded itself together. Parking pawl is in the tail housing but never heard of one of them doing this. Anything failed to cause that will be in the back half/geartrain I would guess. If you start the engine and drop it in gear, does it act like it's in gear or does it free-rev?


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Cocked servo piston holding it in two gears?

Re: SB 727 locked up [Re: CMcAllister] #2492086
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Originally Posted By CMcAllister
If the fluid's clean, it's not a friction element(s) welded itself together.


Every seized output shaft/support I've seen had cherry red clean fluid.


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Re: SB 727 locked up [Re: Stroker Scamp] #2492335
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Not a 727, but I broke part of the converter snout off of a 904 way back. Happened at highway speed and locked up the driveshaft. Good times right there! I can't remember what the rebuiler said but I'm guessing it shot enough large bits through system when the broken piece made its way into the front pump to wedge fragments in throught the system. I do remember the fluid still seemed fine because it had no time to scorch and the bits were big enough to sink in the pan and not show up on the dipstick.


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Re: SB 727 locked up [Re: Stroker Scamp] #2492908
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Maybe the parking pawl return spring broke?
More likely a broken rear sprag.

Re: SB 727 locked up [Re: J_BODY] #2493477
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Originally Posted By J_BODY
Guess I’d be dropping the pan to see if it hatched a porcupine egg. If you’ve seen a major trans failure and the ensuing mayhem stuck to the magnet, you’ll know what I’m talking about.


No "egg" pretty clear fluid, but not as clean as I would suspect
some fuzz on the magnet but not much


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Re: SB 727 locked up [Re: CMcAllister] #2493478
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Originally Posted By CMcAllister
If the fluid's clean, it's not a friction element(s) welded itself together. Parking pawl is in the tail housing but never heard of one of them doing this. Anything failed to cause that will be in the back half/geartrain I would guess. If you start the engine and drop it in gear, does it act like it's in gear or does it free-rev?


no change in rpm from gear to gear


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Dropped the pan and fluid does have quite a bit of fine shiny stuff.
Took it in and wound up the sprag failed and chewed into the case,
clutches in the front drum some were coming apart.
So at this point not exactly sure what caused the failure but any ideas on that would help


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Question when you did your burnouts where you starting out in first gear.


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Re: SB 727 locked up [Re: Stroker Scamp] #2494809
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Originally Posted By Stroker Scamp
should also note that its got new sprag and billet front drum going to take it out this weekend


what kind of new sprag ?


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Originally Posted By JAKE68
Question when you did your burnouts where you starting out in first gear.

Drive with a stock valve body, that may be the problem


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Originally Posted By JohnRR
Originally Posted By Stroker Scamp
should also note that its got new sprag and billet front drum going to take it out this weekend


what kind of new sprag ?

A & A super sprag


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I'd sure like to see a picture of this ORC failure.

Got one?

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