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Stock trans limit? #2337809
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I have a 1971 Challenger that has a 505 inch striker build and a relatively stock 727. Has a forward manual valve body and a deep pan on it. My question is will the stock trans hold up to the torq and added hp of the motor. Been having slot of problems with the trans lately and it's driving me crazy.

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My "spare" 727 for my old Mirada running a RB 498 was nothing special. Reverse manual valve body. Foot braked it into the 10's. I had enough parts to throw it together as a backup plan. Ended up selling it after getting rid of the car. So I'm saying "yes" it's capable.

now... would I run it with a stock front drum. NOPE!

Are 727's "bulletproof"? NOPE! I currently have a 727 in the duster behind our small block. it's been out of the car 4 times in the last two years with odd and not so odd breakage. Most recent I broke the lugs on the pump gear. Hoping it will last now with aftermarket large lug gear, but I'm piecing together a 904 because I like torture smile

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Run far away from 1st gear burnouts. What are the problems you have been having?

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Mine seems like it's slipping even though I have a manual valve body. Thought it wS low on fluid. Added more now it's to much, still "slipping" and a steady stream of fluid following the car. It slips on a take off.

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When it does take off, it slams into gear

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guess not being able to experience it first hand I'd wonder what the fluid looks/smells like. Next I'd probably drop the pan and see if it tells me a story. Drop valve body and air check would be the last thing before I pulled the unit out for an inspection.

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The trans was rebuilt, probably less then 100 miles on it. Fluid is also new. What happens is say your at a stop light. Turns green. Hit the gas motor Rome go up and then it just slams into gear like it's low on fluid.

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Any foreign material in the filter?


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None. I just dropped it so I can find someone that can look at it and beef it up. Anyone know someone in metro Detroit area?

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It sounds like it, the shifter or valve body selector, is not in each gear properly twocents scope
Take the pan back off and put the shifter in neutral and then remove the shifter selector from the arm on the valve body and watch the manual valve to see if it moves when you lift the shifter cable clevis or shifter bracket off the selector arm, if it moves you need to adjust the shift linkage so it doesn't move when removed in neutral, first, second and high gear scope
Let us know what you find out thumbs How good is your converter? What brand and foot and flash stall rating RPM?
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Re: Stock trans limit? [Re: Shatar4] #2337942
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I would check the line pressure first.

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Originally Posted By Shatar4
Hit the gas motor Rome (sic) go up and then it just slams into gear


Rear clutch problem....delayed engagement due to leakage. (rings/seals)


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I use a relatively stock one behind my 505.

I rebuilt it using better clutches, removed the governor, used a FWD pattern mvb and put the amount of springs in the front drum that Turbo action recommended. Other than that, it is pretty much stock.

It gets regular beatings on the track and street but I never do a 1st gear burnout, either!

Make sure you use a bronze thrust washer as most kits come with the fiber one and mine likes to eat those!


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I also have a Turbo Action converter and used the thrust washer that came with it. I don't think my rebuilder put better clutches or anything like that.

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I am not running a big motor like you have but I have been running a pretty much stock 727 with a manual valve body behind my small block that makes well over 600 hp. I have been running it for 5 years with no issues.


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Originally Posted By John_Kunkel
Originally Posted By Shatar4
Hit the gas motor Rome (sic) go up and then it just slams into gear


Rear clutch problem....delayed engagement due to leakage. (rings/seals)


^ This.

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I ran a pretty much stock 727 for about 2 years in my cuda running mid 9s at 3800 lbs. It had a manual valve body, deep pan, and a bolt in sprag...that's it. Then the drum exploded and disintegrated the transmission.


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My 727 is also very stock. I run a Turbo Action reverse manual valve body and a Dynamic 9.5 converter. I also installed a bolt in sprag (rear overrunning clutch) and eliminated the gov and blocked the accumulator. I use stock Mopar clutches and steels since I have a small supply of them I saved up over 24 years at the Dodge dealer doing auto trans repairs. I even use the stock Mopar seal kit which I also had. I dont race alot as I usually go to the track once or twice a year but I do alot of street driving. Mine has been in my 63 since 2006 and has never had a problem and is still working fine. Ron

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Your builder messed up when he built the
trans.. as John said the issue will most
likely be a ring or a seal is bad.. a
pressure test should show it.. I run a
totally stock tran in my race car with a
trans brake.. been in there about 10 years
with 2 refreshens .. a light car is easy
on parts
wave

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Originally Posted By GY3
I use a relatively stock one behind my 505.

I rebuilt it using better clutches, removed the governor, used a FWD pattern mvb and put the amount of springs in the front drum that Turbo action recommended. Other than that, it is pretty much stock.

It gets regular beatings on the track and street but I never do a 1st gear burnout, either!

Make sure you use a bronze thrust washer as most kits come with the fiber one and mine likes to eat those!
What does removing the governor do? (I am tranny stupid laugh2 )

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