Brand X after market world is very serious these days....Vid
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Its interesting to see the massive support the Brand X guys have available. And, to see the volume behind it.... To put their 40 completed engines per month into perspective, Calayes can't sell 200 Mopar cranks/year.... You guys are a little sheltered sometimes...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-fbLgyvhSs
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Re: Brand X after market world is very serious these days....Vid
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Makes it a little tough for a serious racer to remain loyal when you can call to Texas and have a 1000HP 565 delivered for under $20k without waiting forever.
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Re: Brand X after market world is very serious these days....Vid
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So.....an LS is just a copy of a bigblock Mopar short block, with ford cylinder heads on it...lol
IF you want, just get one....
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Re: Brand X after market world is very serious these days....Vid
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That's quite an operation.
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Re: Brand X after market world is very serious these days....Vid
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Brad Anderson Engineering is like that only for men! While I do agree, there's just not much in between for Mopar guys. You have your basic 600-800 hp "bracket" builds, a small handful of 1k hp options, and then there's all out race kickazz blown hemis. A BAE hemi will make insane power, but I don't think I've ever seen one in a streetable combo, or even one that wouldn't require a high dollar tube chassis car to control it. I know most here aren't concerned about streetability, but I'd bet that 90% of the engines that Texas Speed churns out are going in street cars.
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Re: Brand X after market world is very serious these days....Vid
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Fastmop...I agree with you. Mine is very streetable making 1100 hp w/ the ability to go up to 1300 hp or so. I think the issue is a real lack of parts supporting the Mopars at the 1k+ hp level. That and not many Mopar guys actually want to make that much power, thus no parts. Most are complacent w/ 600 hp bracket cars. Nothing wrong w/ that, but don't expect a lot of new parts coming out for stuff no one wants to build.
The difference w/ the LS stuff is the ability to make big power using a lot of the factory components. Same w/ the G3 hemi.
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Re: Brand X after market world is very serious these days....Vid
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Bingo!!! Just not enough market for hard core race parts in the Mopar community. Just go to a Mopar event and look what the cars run and where the manufacturers target their monies...There are just not enough Mopar people period.
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Re: Brand X after market world is very serious these days....Vid
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The difference w/ the LS stuff is the ability to make big power using a lot of the factory components. Same w/ the G3 hemi. This! They certainly had a few winners over the years that were extremely plentiful (therefor cheap) and can support awesome power stock or mildly modded with turbos like the 5.3 and iron block LQ motors. I don't think they're much better than late model mopar stuff from what I've seen, but the sheer volume produced makes them much cheaper. What I thought was pretty cool though is the price of the Hellcat motor for 700hp is the same cost as the LS9 making only 639. Maybe we will start to see a turnaround in the cost/competitiveness late model stuff with the popularity of the new Challengers? I mean hell, the hellcat crate motor is already WAY more competitive than the old Hemi crate motors ever were...spending 20k on a 578 hemi making 640hp vs 15k on a GMPP ZZ572R making 720hp. The 426 was even more of a joke, 16+K for what, 465hp? GM was making small block crate strokers like the ZZ383 making 450hp for under 8K. While the prices of a lot of the late model crate motors still seem a little higher than the GM stuff, the gap between them and GM stuff definitely isn't as wide, and with the Hellcat engine the edge actually goes to Mopar for cost per HP. If anyone is hoping that the aftermarket for mopar old school stuff is ever going to catch up with brand X, keep dreaming. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if it gets worse. there's a lot of hope for the late model stuff though.
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Re: Brand X after market world is very serious these days....Vid
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Maybe I'm wrong but I believe those G2 Hemi crate engines were only around 10-11K for a long time, that was a pretty good deal even though you had to go back through them.
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Re: Brand X after market world is very serious these days....Vid
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Bingo!!! Just not enough market for hard core race parts in the Mopar community. Just go to a Mopar event and look what the cars run and where the manufacturers target their monies...There are just not enough Mopar people period. "There are just not enough Mopar people period." But that is what makes us special people! 😁😁😁
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Re: Brand X after market world is very serious these days....Vid
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There are just not enough Mopar people period. There are a lot who are scared off by the price of going mopar. Every motor head that has ever worked at the company I run(over 20 years now), have always said the same thing, ...man I love the look of (insert Classic 60's 70's mopar) but I can go 10s in my Fox body/Camaro for half the cost. The ricers that have gone thru this revolving door here at work are a50/50 mix of , Man I'd love an old V8 Mopar, or Dude, man I mean I can run 12s and get 20MPG. G3s are changing that to a point. 2 out of the 5 younglings here are running LXs body's , 1 Magnum , the other a 300. both high 11s low 12s the other is a WRK guy while the 2 spend their money on the family.
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Re: Brand X after market world is very serious these days....Vid
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Brad Anderson Engineering is like that only for men! lmao............and his place is within an hour of me and passed it a few times...........Again, neat stuff for the sheep and too tame for the Wolfs...........Plus, power adders SHOULD do these things.....I'm ducking the rocks now............
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Re: Brand X after market world is very serious these days....Vid
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What else are you looking for in the G3 aftermarket? Just curious
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Re: Brand X after market world is very serious these days....Vid
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I guess I look at part of the reason for the cycle of, "there are no high hp cars at the track/there are limited choices for high hp mopar parts" is this: If you're looking to build a high hp motor for your chassis drag car/dragster, etc...... And you're not brand loyal to anything in particular, just want a reliable cost effective motor, that won't take a year to build....... After you look at all your viable options...... The cost and lack of comparably priced hard parts...... The decision is more or less made for you...... And it's not Mopar. 99% of the guys building high hp Mopar combos are die hards...... And there's just less and less of those around.
I remember being at New England Dragway at a test and tune quite a few years ago. This girl was driving the family dragster making lap after lap trying to nail down the reaction times and get consistent ET's for the upcoming(at the time) IHRA national event where they were going to be running Top Dragster.
Single carb, no tow vehicle, mufflers, big chief heads, probably like a 632....... Just running 7.5x run after run. I thought to myself......"pretty hard to argue with that".
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I'm in my thirties.
Piecing together my all aluminum B1 headed-BB
We're out there still.
G/F still had to take out a loan to pay for the upgrades to make her pump gas gen 3 Camaro run 10.90's
Her AFR headed 383, forged crank wasn't free Nor was the Ford 9" disc brake rearend. Tranny upgrade to TH400 ATI 8"
The initial investment can be tough. Student loans, mortgage slow things down.
I keep the Coronet running and racing while gathering parts for the B1 engine. Same here...I'm 36. Glad I built my hemi 11 years ago before I got married, built a house, and had 2 kids. The car fund has taken a big hit! Nevertheless, I'm still slowly collecting parts for the next stage of upgrades.
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