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Power Steering - Police box? #233100
02/22/09 08:16 PM
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I need to replace/rebuild the stock power steering box in my 74 Duster. I would like to get a "police firm feel" box for it as I personally think the stock units are way too light. I looked at the Firm Feel stuff, but was hoping the factory unit was still available. Any suggestions? And sorry I'm not going to manual as I drive the car....

Does anyone have any experience with the Firm Feel units?

Re: Power Steering - Police box? [Re: urdustd] #233101
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firm feel stage III

Re: Power Steering - Police box? [Re: cogen80] #233102
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trying to find a good used police box is crazy. firm feel is a good choice


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Re: Power Steering - Police box? [Re: urdustd] #233103
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I need to replace/rebuild the stock power steering box in my 74 Duster. I would like to get a "police firm feel" box for it as I personally think the stock units are way too light. I looked at the Firm Feel stuff, but was hoping the factory unit was still available. Any suggestions? And sorry I'm not going to manual as I drive the car....

Does anyone have any experience with the Firm Feel units?




Factory units are discontinued.

Re: Power Steering - Police box? [Re: autoxcuda] #233104
02/22/09 09:20 PM
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I just installed a Firm Feel stage 111 box. I drove my buddies Hemi GTX with a stage 111 and liked it.


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Re: Power Steering - Police box? [Re: autoxcuda] #233105
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Thanks guys for the replies!

autoxcuda, what are you using on your Cuda?

70sixpkRT - how would you compare it to the factory box?

Re: Power Steering - Police box? [Re: urdustd] #233106
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When I drove my buddies GTX the box was tighter and felt good. The stock ones have alot of slop.


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Re: Power Steering - Police box? [Re: urdustd] #233107
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Thanks guys for the replies!

autoxcuda, what are you using on your Cuda?

70sixpkRT - how would you compare it to the factory box?




I'm using a Mopar Parts re-manufactured box I bought in 1993 for like $165. I think it's discontinued now. That was 50K miles ago.

I thought since it was re-manufactured it would have NEW interals, not just rebuilts ones. Can anyone varify that?

Now 50K miles later, I see the output shaft has side play when it's up on jackstands and I move the wheels back and forth. Those 50K or so miles were not easy ones though

The feel on my unit is nice. But I don't think it has the effort of a Police box. BUT there are a lot of things that effect feel and effort that don't have to do with the steering box. Mods to my car that would effect steering feel and effort:

*Smaller 15" La Carrra Steering wheel give less leaverage and take more effort to turn
*3-5 degrees positve caster. Postive caster makes the car want to return to center and takes more driver effort to turn.
*225/60/15 tires I ran 60 series Dunlop H speed rated tires. Smaller sidewall gives more responsive reaction to steering inputs. I've run 225/50/15 ZR and 245/50/15 ZR tires with event stiffer sidewalls and there are more responsive.

Now, I do have a Firm Feel Stage II rebuilt box in my 68 Dart Conv. That car has stock 16" steering wheel, 245/60/15 series tires, stock torsion bars, and it's a convertible (flex). Feels about the same as my Barracuda in regards to effort.

Re: Power Steering - Police box? [Re: autoxcuda] #233108
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Autoxcuda and 70sixpkRT - I really appreciate the additional information.

It looks like I need to give Firm Feel a call and see what the difference is between the level 2 and 3.....

Anybody else have suggestions?

Re: Power Steering - Police box? [Re: urdustd] #233109
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I got one from advance auto for 1989 Dodge Diplomat SE Police P/S Gear Box
Product Number: NSP276515 . I think it was around $170.

Re: Power Steering - Police box? [Re: cuda70] #233110
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I got one from advance auto for 1989 Dodge Diplomat SE Police P/S Gear Box
Product Number: NSP276515 . I think it was around $170.




Thanks cuda70

Rockauto.com and partsamerica.com both carried it, but it's a reman'd Cardone unit p/n 276515. I also found it on autopartsgiant.com for $115. Problem is they all have a $125 core charge...maybe they won't be able to tell the difference when I send back my old standard box, maybe.

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replace/rebuild your unit.install a sway bar.[maybe rear axel too]money well spent.

Re: Power Steering - Police box? [Re: cuda70] #233112
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OK Starting around 74 IIRC they went to a larger sector shaft coming out of the steering box. What pitman arm would you use in an earlier B or E Body that had a smaller shaft? I'm guessing the later B-Body (Cordoba etc) one?

Re: Power Steering - Police box? [Re: Jwilli500] #233113
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OK Starting around 74 IIRC they went to a larger sector shaft coming out of the steering box. What pitman arm would you use in an earlier B or E Body that had a smaller shaft? I'm guessing the later B-Body (Cordoba etc) one?




They went large sector in 73. For large sector box in a 68-72 B-body use a 74 Challenger pitman.







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