clutch fan questions and testing
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I've got 2 I'm messing with PN 3462180 no spring on the outside, so I assume this is the style of fixed clutching and no matter how hot it gets it doesn't change speed? ~20" 7 blade fan, pretty good pitch to it PN 2705463 with the bi metal spring 18" 7 blade fan, looks a little less aggressive on pitch I tested this one with my hairdryer, could only get it up to about 180* on the bi metal and ~150* on the clutch body, seemed like maybe it got stiffer but didn't lock up. Do they ever lock completely up and how hot do you have to get them? Is there any harm in putting the bigger fan on the bi metal one or do I risk that fan being too much leverage and slipping the clutch and ruining it? I ask because I'm still struggling to keep my charger cool in slow traffic. changing from elec fans to a 5 blade factory fan definitely has helped but the temp still creeps up if I'm stuck crawling. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2318928.html#Post2318928
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Re: clutch fan questions and testing
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I'm still struggling to keep my charger cool in slow traffic. Put a shroud on it.
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Re: clutch fan questions and testing
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I'm still struggling to keep my charger cool in slow traffic. Put a shroud on it. I haven' found one yet that fits my universal cross flow rad and a mechanical fan, suggestions are welcome. the 2 fans are small one 2863210 (though I can't find any google results for this) big 3462149
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Re: clutch fan questions and testing
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No way to test a fan clutch...even the FSM says if in doubt replace with new.
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Re: clutch fan questions and testing
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you need a shroud as said,, do you have the wide rubber underhood strip that fastens to the hood to seal off the radiator?, on mine I covered the core support instead, it is to keep hot air from going from the engine compartment to the front of the radiator.
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Re: clutch fan questions and testing
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No I tried searching for the hood strip, anyone got a part number for it?
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Re: clutch fan questions and testing
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You realize that universal means fits nothing? Till you get a shroud you will continue to fight this. My suggestion is trash the universal radiator and put a stock replacement radiator with a stock shroud back in it.
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Re: clutch fan questions and testing
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The primary aftermarket manufacturer states the following about that their fluid drive (viscous) clutch units: 1. Turn slower relative to engine speed than thermal drives 2. Not to use use as replacements for Heavy duty. Looking at '69 Dodge Service manual, all A/C equiped V-8s got a thermal clutch. Only the non a/c 340 (a-body) and the 440 manual and 426 (b-body) got "torque" only fan clutches. So by inference, its probable that the factory thermal clutch provided higher fan speed at low rpm (when hot). From the same manual, in B bodies with 383 or 440 got fans a bit larger when equiped with a/c and thermal clutches; 18.5" dia, 7 blades, 2.5" pitch. It would seem reasonable to expect the thermal drive unit to handle an 18.5" fan as given in the FSM. To be a little more certain, see if you can figure the application of the p/n through by looking in some late 60s/early 70s parts books. For a fan shroud, which will help radiator efficiency at low speed, probably have to make one or modify a generic one. Here's nice thread on making a composite one (fiberglass). http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=159476US Composites mentioned in that thread is a reliable company to buy materials from - I use them for most of my epoxy materials. And here's a nice thread on making a metal one. http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=182997yea, I also own a full size jeep.
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Re: clutch fan questions and testing
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In our parts loft I found a new thermal clutch and 5 blade. I put the 7 blade fan on it and low speed cooling has improved vs the 5 blade fixed
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Re: clutch fan questions and testing
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If the fan clutch is working, you can hear the roar of moving air, especially in a closed area like a parking garage. But you may need to be out of the car with an assistant operating the accelerator to hear it properly. If the clutch isn't working, all you hear is the noise of the engine, not any sound of moving air.
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66 Satellite with 413. 26" radiator, hemi-6pac fan. Heavy duty fan clutch from NAPA for rv's etc. Can't make it get hot even in parades at 90 + temps.
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For a fan shroud, which will help radiator efficiency at low speed, probably have to make one or modify a generic one. Here's nice thread on making a composite one (fiberglass). http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=159476US Composites mentioned in that thread is a reliable company to buy materials from - I use them for most of my epoxy materials.
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with the fan on the car the test I was always told was to just watch for the fan to immediately stop with the engine if it was up to temp. I was trying to test a used unit before bothering to put it on the car. This new one passed that test. It's hard to hear it inside the car over the 3" exhaust, but it's doing something (more) than the fixed 5 bladed did for cooling and a lot more than the electrics+shrouds I did have on it.
Interestingly, I tried the factory thermo clutch vs flex fan on my Fury 15yrs ago and the flex fan was noticeably better in rush hour keeping things cool. The clutch had probably gone bad.
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