Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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You cant compare aftermarket offerings against factory for all out racing. The gen3 is the best factory offering from mopar but its not near the aftermarket bb offerings. KB is working on the gen 3 so who knows what the future holds though Oh they are? That's not what I heard I guess your not friends with one of the owners then? I would think they know what KB is planning
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
[Re: sixpackgut]
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My 493 10.5-1, 590 mopar cam, edel rpm heads 600hp
Upgraded to indy ez and solid roller made around 720hp
426 6.1 base. Eagle heads. 10.5-1, .600 lift hyd cam 620ish hp
That upgrade on the BB cost alot of money. I put aluminum caps in the motor when I upgraded because I got "nervous". Roller cam and everything that goes with it. Very spendy. Going over that 600 mark seems to get much more expensive What's the duration specs on your cam, if it's not proprietary info
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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My 493 10.5-1, 590 mopar cam, edel rpm heads 600hp
Upgraded to indy ez and solid roller made around 720hp
426 6.1 base. Eagle heads. 10.5-1, .600 lift hyd cam 620ish hp
That upgrade on the BB cost alot of money. I put aluminum caps in the motor when I upgraded because I got "nervous". Roller cam and everything that goes with it. Very spendy. Going over that 600 mark seems to get much more expensive What's the duration specs on your cam, if it's not proprietary info 250@50
Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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05/26/17 10:23 PM
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I wonder how many late model mopars are out there running swapped in big blocks.... How would it pass emissions? You do not have to pass emissions in all states. I know you don't in my state. You can do whatever you want to a vehicle.
1.33 60 ft,6.21 at 110.59 in the 1/8, pump gas small block,2950lbs,drag radials,mufflers and driven to track ...
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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My 493 10.5-1, 590 mopar cam, edel rpm heads 600hp
Upgraded to indy ez and solid roller made around 720hp
426 6.1 base. Eagle heads. 10.5-1, .600 lift hyd cam 620ish hp
That upgrade on the BB cost alot of money. I put aluminum caps in the motor when I upgraded because I got "nervous". Roller cam and everything that goes with it. Very spendy. Going over that 600 mark seems to get much more expensive What's the duration specs on your cam, if it's not proprietary info 250@50 What do you think you'd make if you went all out? Bigger cam, more compression etc. What did your heads flow? More left in them? Your cars very impressive btw
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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My 493 10.5-1, 590 mopar cam, edel rpm heads 600hp
Upgraded to indy ez and solid roller made around 720hp
426 6.1 base. Eagle heads. 10.5-1, .600 lift hyd cam 620ish hp
That upgrade on the BB cost alot of money. I put aluminum caps in the motor when I upgraded because I got "nervous". Roller cam and everything that goes with it. Very spendy. Going over that 600 mark seems to get much more expensive What's the duration specs on your cam, if it's not proprietary info I am just wondering where you picked up most of the 120 hp gain ? I was under the impression in stock form the basic EZ heads and Eddy RPM head are close in flow and performance ? So I am curious what EZ heads you went to and how much work was done to them ? Thanks , Ron
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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Every engine family has its limitations and unique features. If you are a bracket racer that needs 600(?) Hp or less, it is pretty hard to come up with a motor that can make close to that power with stock block, heads, valvetrain,etc. Sure there are expenses that you won't have with a bb, but for the size of an engine you can build with those stock parts and a stroker assembly, you would be in a Gen III fairly reasonably. An early 5.7 with 390 to 400 cubes, stock heads that flow what, at least 300cfm as is? Any body built a combo like this with high compression and as big a cam as the stock rockers and lifters will handle? Even if the power per$ was the same with a bb, you still shave 100+ pounds off the front end! Obviously at some point the old wedge would pass a Gen III in hp per$ at some point, but I would think it would be. Fairly high point for budget racers.
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
[Re: 383man]
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My 493 10.5-1, 590 mopar cam, edel rpm heads 600hp
Upgraded to indy ez and solid roller made around 720hp
426 6.1 base. Eagle heads. 10.5-1, .600 lift hyd cam 620ish hp
That upgrade on the BB cost alot of money. I put aluminum caps in the motor when I upgraded because I got "nervous". Roller cam and everything that goes with it. Very spendy. Going over that 600 mark seems to get much more expensive What's the duration specs on your cam, if it's not proprietary info I am just wondering where you picked up most of the 120 hp gain ? I was under the impression in stock form the basic EZ heads and Eddy RPM head are close in flow and performance ? So I am curious what EZ heads you went to and how much work was done to them ? Thanks , Ron Well, i switched to a welded up tunnel ram with MW port. I ported the EZ head. Brad H flowed it 335@6 350@7 if I remember correctly. Bigger roller cam. Might have switched to 3 500cfm carbs around that time. I found a little tunnel ram jetting trick Right now I have an aluminum Arrow block I bought from Josh K. Short block is at Barton getting 14-1 and the moroso drag pack oil pan. Cam slightly bigger with duration in the 260s. Heads on my current motor are eagles that flow 275@4, 310@5, and 345@6 I have 2 sets of other heads. Eagles opened up for apache valves for a smaller chamber. They go 305@4, 355@.6 i think My apache heads go 320@4 and 360@6 I really would like Thiteks for spring options but don't have the money for them. I had sent my awesomely running Thumpercarb to another carb builder to convert to e85 and it is running so poorly that the whole project has me disgusted. I should have never sent that carb to someone else. Anyway, e85 stations are popping up all over around here and hoping to lose 100 lbs and make around 700hp and maybe dip into the 5s 1/8th and still drive to the track. But I have another project that needs finished and need to complete that before the cuda gets finished
Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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05/30/17 02:42 PM
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Ray, it's funny what you said about E85 popping up down there b/c the only 2 I know of close to me are closed now.
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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You should just build one Cadamore
I did. Lol
If I could afford to build one right like you did I would have one. I do not want a fast one, I would want a real fast one just like that. I can honestly say my interest in the sport is heading in the wrong direction right now. It's getting harder and harder to hit the shop and I will never pay someone to do it for me so my days are numbered.
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