I know you want to play hard core that you wont
change.. but that 8.9 is with a STOCK engine that
a guy put a turbo on.. your car is light.. what
was his.. you better learn to open your mind a bit
or not

His car must weigh 2000 lbs to run 8.90's with a 512 rb

If I remember right he is running 2400 or
just a bit more.. still a good running car

8.90 ET at 2400 lbs = 672 hp. 672hp from 512 cubes.....Not impressed.

Who in the heck said the car weights 2400 pounds. Lol
I wish it did because then we would go even faster. Like I said you will never see me driving a two ton tessy. My street day's are over and I'm to young to need creature comforts. But this is a story for another day

Having built and raced every engine Mopar has ever built hands down a GEN 3 is the best bang for the buck. Using the example of 700HP show me a stock BB/SB or really for that matter a stock Gen2 head that will support 700HP. You might get there with a Gen 2 head with work. A 700HP big block even of you start with a block you already have will cost you more. If your starting from scratch you need
Headers good headers are the same price for either
After market oil pan I have yet to see a stocker that will support 700hp
Heads --You can use stock 6.1 or apache heads
Rockers---You can use stock gen 3 rockers on a 700hp build
Rotator is the same money
Machine work is the same
No brainer I built one and the only reason I would build a BB or Gen 2 hemi now is if I would want to go NSS racing again (which I do) but I hate the thought of building another BB!!!!

betcha theres more $$ in that 512 than the turbo 5.7 and its around 3100lbs.im convinced gen IIIs are not the way to go LOL

I lurk over on the Moparts gen 3 area because believe it or not I am open minded and enjoy reading and studying before I leap. As for costs I have 2800.00 in my mega block ready to assemble, 2200.00 in my rotating assembly, and under 1200.00 in my 440-1 heads with Harlan Sharp rockers with upgraded 2.250 valves (I will probably go with a set of T&D rockers if valve to piston permit). Indy intake was in a package deal and 500.00 in the alcohol toilet if I go that way. It adds up but still what I consider budget build as I shy away from some of the "ragazine" tricks that drive up costs. But like I said my eyes and ears are open while you guys get a hints figured out. I can only hope that is a misprint on what a gen 3 guy said lifters cost in that one post over there.

Not sure where you find $1200 -1 heads with Harland sharp rockers or a $2800 mega block ready to roll hell just find a mega block worth building right now. This is why I will put a gen 3 stroker together and run 10.0 index vs NSS

8.90 in anything with doors n/a... I'm impressed.

Wonder if ptsbracer get lexan, fiberglass and holesaws as cheap as engine parts

IIRC he removed the glass doors from the car in favor of more "friendly" stock doors with roll up glass.

No kidding, and it takes a lot of work weather old school or new just seems a bit easier w/late model and EFI. I know I came off very strong and negative about the new stuff so my bad there, it's just a personal preference thing and there's no right or wrong until stubborn guys like myself and a few others make it personal. I love the positive and negative results I get from carbs and although messy and a pain at times, I just cant see myself on a laptop tuning. Hell, I cant even post pics here............... N/A Old school has been my goal forever so that's where I`ll stay and shoot for that elusive 5.99..............

If one did a graph showing age to what type engine, I think it would show real clear who likes what. Heck for the sake of argument, if either engine was free with all the goodies, which one then.

ack in his



Ya I could start a weight gain post. Between kicking my son out of the car and back in his, stock steel doors with stock wind up window, alternator, exhaust, R3 block, diaper, racepak and electrical upgrades, and a few other goodies I added 250-300 pounds to the car. Lol. I call it my old man car. Race it, drive it in the trailer and climb out the window, and go home. Matt went to take the hood off at the track last week and I asked him what the heck he was doing.

Lol. Thats how I am and exactly why I went g3. Hyd roller ftw

I'm exploring building a carb'd Gen 3 for my dirt late model deal... rebuilding a small block 383 right now.

Seems to me it will be cheaper than buying a Ritter block and W-2 or ported aftermarket heads. Plus the good Eagle heads are better than most any small block head and are on the shelf at my local dealer 6 blocks away.

The juice lifter deal is my only question mark... can they live for 25 laps on a 1/2 mile at 7,000 rpm's? The T&D/Jesel numbers don't fit my budget right now so solid lifters are pretty much a no go.

We'll see.....

Remembering back to when the 2.2 was the only "factory performance" engine platform, I see alot of humor in these discussions....We're actually pretty lucky to have anything, considering how small our overall volume is.

Amen brother!

Thats me as I am old school top to bottom. But thats just me as I love what I grew up with. Even on brand X as if I see a nice 69 Chevelle SS 396 and see a newer LS under the hood its not what I like to see under there as I want to see a 396 or BB Chevy under its hood. And as I say thats just me. Nothing wrong with anyone going with a modern eng in their old muscle if thats what they like. I like the NSS racing alot and like to see what eng belongs under their hoods as thats what floats my boat. But the new eng will run good and I dont knock anyone for building what they like as you have to build what you like.
I honestly think many of us including me were really surprised to see the muscle cars return with all the power they have with the power adders as I think most like me felt we would never see anything like this from the factory again after the muscle cars died in the 70's. Bottom line is new or old Mopar they are all Mopars so we should like them all as I do. I just prefer old school for myself. But there is alot of modern parts now for the old school engines that help them run alot better also. Ron