Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383
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Did you install the heads OOTB? YES Springs are rated for .600 Max per Edelbrock ? Running 284-484 Mopar Cam
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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383
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Let me guess
Pull the heads and bring to a machine shop
What's Edelbrock going to say if an issue was found
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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383
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Another thing
Bending that pushrod , would it have effected or strained the rocker arm shafts and or bolts / studs holding everything down torqued to 25 foot pounds per instructions
One of the bolts looked like it had shiny threads or filings , but the Edelbrock Heads have heli coils threaded in the rocker arm shaft attaching bosses and those threaded inserts looked brand new perfect from what I can tell
I don't know man
Got a car show with 10 moparts heading over and I have no f ing car
Guess rip everything apart again and start over
Don't know what else to do
Just frustrated , so much time between work and this , waiting for parts , powder coating , paint
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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383
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How good were these new pushrods?
Did you check to make sure there was no clearance issues with the pushrods and heads?
I had a set of EStreet heads come through the shop a year or so ago......had waaay too tight guide clearance. edelbrock heads in general have less guide clearance than I prefer, but this one set was particularly tight. It was because of the stem diameter in that instance. Edelbrock seems to prefer the valves be .0005(half a thou) smaller than what typical for the industry. .3410 is "normal", Edelbrock likes to use stems that are .3405, and they set the guide sizes based on the valves being .3405. This one set of E Streets had valves with stems that were .3410....... so the guide clearance was .0005 less than normal(for Edelbrock). The intakes had like almost no clearance and the exhaust were about .0006.
The only way to know whether they're good or not......is to take them apart and check.
However, since it's all together, if the new pushrods are at all questionable......I'd change those first.
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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383
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Thanx guys
I really appreciate all your insight and help , much appreciated
Should I pull the intake first and check the cam and lifter ?
Can't see much through these heads into the lifter valley
Anyways the rocker shaft and rocker arms look fine , also the valve and stem look fine also
Guy at the car show yesterday has the tools for me to pop the valve spring off on the head if needed , while the head is still on the car - Air in cylinder or the rope trick to see if the valve moves freely - Told me to rubber band the valve stem so once the spring is off it doesn't drop in the cylinder while I try to slide it
I can steal a Snap On Borescope from work today if needed
Also the pushrods are
Melling MPR - 321 they are marked and looked and rotated perfectly when I turned the motor over by remote switch prior to installing the intake pan last week - Clearance looked great and everything smooth , zero issues with clearance on head holes
Melling MPR - 321 Part Numbers
Also again how about the cam and lifter ? Can't really see in there
Thanx again
Edit - What new pushrods should I order ? And a new lifter ? should I pull the intake pan again
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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383
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Those are OE replacement pushrods.
Not up to the task IMO.
I would call Smith Brothers and order some .080 wall heat treated pushrods that match the length of what you have there....... No oil holes.
If you get the borescope, pull the distributor out and look in the valley to see that the snap ring in the lifter is still properly in place. If it is, you should be fine.
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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383
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Can see the snap ring in the lifter through the pushrod hole Looks fine buts that's all I can see is just the top of lifter
Brought a spring compressor home last night from a Mopar guy at the airport Bolted it in place on the head and rotated it down and the valve moved freely up and down and sounded nice snapping back in place against the valve seat
Compared to other valves on the same head everything felt and went very smooth
Did a compression check on that cylinder while a friend was opening and closing that valve with the spring tool and the gauge read 180 #s
So I would assume things are fine
Snap On Videoscope is broke at work , new camera end ordered , just my luck yesterday
Anyways now have to order new pushrods , you said same factory length of 8.575 "
Wish I could see that cam lobe
Thanx Scott
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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383
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I have no idea what the correct length should be for your motor.
I assumed you chose that length because it gave you the desired lifter preload.
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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383
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Fast 68 I sent you a message
Cam lobe and lifter for that intake valve bent pushrod looked perfect when I pulled the intake and pan this morning
Same with all cam lobes and lifters and pushrods except
However the exhaust valve same cylinder , wiped out cam lobe and wiped out lifter , pushrod fine
I gots a major headache
Thanx Scott
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Re: EDELBROCK E STREET HEADS FOR 383
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Short Block Is At The Machine Shop
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That Was The Issue , One Exhaust Valve , One Small Mark In Piston
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Anyways Time To Spend Some Money While Everything Is Out And Apart
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