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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2291693
04/21/17 06:08 PM
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Id also like to know the cost for an RB block..

Thanks and a big beer to the guys who make products like this possible!!!

/Tom

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: WedgeFED] #2291702
04/21/17 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted By WedgeFED
LOL I really don't think there is one person on this thread with skin in the game...except for maybe Todd, Ray and Myself. There are a few others on here also. It is great that they are showing us good things are happening. But for all of you against the negative post just think how you would feel being owed a block for almost two years... I really think everyone is pretty positive. Yellow Bullet might be a better place to hammer on people than here. I was told no low deck blocks are happening in the near future as for that is what I have on order. I think Todd will have much better information thou.



I know how I would feel. I would feel better today than I did 6-8 months ago. Some good people stepped to the plate so hopefully you and anyone else left hanging out to dry will have smiles on your well deserved faces.


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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2291713
04/21/17 06:43 PM
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Nearly all of the customers that were in this situation have been quite understanding and grateful that someone is trying to help them. My hats off to them. Todd

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: sasquatch] #2291761
04/21/17 08:13 PM
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Between a rock & a hard place
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Originally Posted By sasquatch
OK
Consider this an an open invitation.
I will begin collecting names and phone numbers/emails for people interested in a R3 style small block in aluminum. Today is the Starting day of April 20. I will collect data only for 6 months. NO money or deposits or any commitments other than it will be looked at. Show me the customers and I will keep track of it.I know that there is almost zero chance of the R3 coming back in iron from Mopar. SO what are the SB guys going to do? Can we sell 100 a year? 200? Most guys (not all) that run SB dodges are in the slower bracket classes. Are there 200 plus guys a year ready to pony up the scratch? Lets find out. IF you are serious, you can email or PM me here (no phone calls on this please) and I will keep an accurate count. Spread the word to any and all that are interested, I am easy to find.

I wasn't trying to stir the pot, I was jsut curious is all.

Although I can't see myself buying a KB block, I agree that it is a GREAT THING that this American ICON was saved.

As far as the order of the blocks shipping. YES the majority of blocks that are back ordered (including mine) will be shipped as soon as possible. However, if the first 40 to 50 blocks out the door were resulting in zero cash flow, no one on the planet would invest in that business.Had this gone into a Chapter filing and gone through the court system, most if not all of the people in line would have gotten jack diddly bubkis. Happens every day in this country.
The new ownership, being interested in saving this company and its storied past, said making things right with these customers was the right thing to do and would do more to generate good will and restore faith in the product. This very easily could have been buy the company, turn off the lights and liquidate all the assets. Party over, good night and another American icon and business hits the scrap heap. I personally am grateful that Darren saw fit to fetch it out of the scrap pile and return it to its former self. Just like car guys, take a rusted out piece of scrap and turn it back to it former glory. But just like restoring a car there will be snags and setbacks. Give it a chance. Making blocks is not that easy. Making great blocks is even harder.
Todd


I wasn't trying to stir the pot, I was just curious. I, too think it's a GREAT THING that this American ICON has been saved.

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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: cudadoug] #2291769
04/21/17 08:28 PM
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Stirring the pot is quite all right with me. If you don't the soup burns and nobody gets any>
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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2291784
04/21/17 09:17 PM
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I, for one, am very happy to see an iconic American company with a ton of history, being saved and restored. And top shelf, American made parts continue to be made right here. I'm not one of the people holding the bag for a block, but I have to think they feel better about getting what they paid for - as opposed to nothing - now than they did a short while ago.

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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: killermopar] #2291793
04/21/17 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted By killermopar
Pretty awesome. Ray Barton is on moparts. Nice to hear those blocks are coming through. I'm sure people will appreciate the first hand knowledge about the quality of the blocks from a trusted source.


David Barton = dartdude.

By the way congrats to David on your FS win!

Don

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2293502
04/24/17 10:29 PM
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On the aluminum R3 block;
If they are 48* lifter bore angle and tall deck I could possibly buy one today.

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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2293749
04/25/17 11:04 AM
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KB Blocks should be $6895.00 from any dealer. Lifter Oiling, Raised Cam, Standard Cam, Hemi or Wedge are all the same price. Low deck blocks are also available. Just wanted to keep all informed about what is happening with these blocks. Now we just need Mopar to make Iron blocks.
Thanks, Ray Barton

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2293804
04/25/17 12:52 PM
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That sounds reasonable for a quality product.


Sheldon
Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RUNCHARGER] #2294251
04/26/17 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted By RUNCHARGER
That sounds reasonable for a quality product.


Ah.....that will be $10,000 for us Canadian folks

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2294440
04/26/17 12:14 PM
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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2294500
04/26/17 02:15 PM
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At first I thought Wow a little on the expensive side but It seems like a very good price if you compare it to BBC aluminum blocks.


https://www.summitracing.com/int/search/part-type/engines-bare-blocks?N=4294894334%2B4294894312%2B4294894330



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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: 65 Hemi] #2294508
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Originally Posted By 65 Hemi
At first I thought Wow a little on the expensive side but It seems like a very good price if you compare it to BBC aluminum blocks.


https://www.summitracing.com/int/search/part-type/engines-bare-blocks?N=4294894334%2B4294894312%2B4294894330



I was worried a little that the new blocks would depreciate my old one that people have been trying to buy from me. I'm no longer worried about that, if anything I might need more for it! up

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2294762
04/26/17 11:51 PM
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I'm glad there are available. But in all reality this post by RBRE is a very low blow. I've had a block on order for 2 1/2 years now, paid for in full. Tim Banner said he was waiting on sleeves. As in he wanted to order a truck load of sleeves before any blocks would be released. Now I'm even more curious who else has paid for a block and still is getting the run around. Really sours the hobby.

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2294904
04/27/17 10:13 AM
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It sounds to me that Ray Barton was just posting this saying they have taken delivery of a fresh block to look over and do quality control. Checking it on their CNC equipment, looking for flaws, etc.
I'd sure rather have someone like Ray check out the first run of the product before they start blindly shipping out fresh parts.


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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2294917
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Bump for the best news for the mopar racer in years...

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: copchaser] #2294922
04/27/17 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted By copchaser
I'm glad there are available. But in all reality this post by RBRE is a very low blow. I've had a block on order for 2 1/2 years now, paid for in full. Tim Banner said he was waiting on sleeves. As in he wanted to order a truck load of sleeves before any blocks would be released. Now I'm even more curious who else has paid for a block and still is getting the run around. Really sours the hobby.


"Sours the hobby"??? I don't think so. Your problem is with Keith Black, the old company. They took money for products and they could not deliver. That happens on a regular basis in this country, right before they file for bankruptcy and then they get to keep the money legally. Thankfully, that did not happen. I have dealt with Tim Banning and he is a straight up guy. From what I here, the other new owners are as well. They did not have to buy the debt of the old Keith Black company. They could have let all you guys that paid money just be SOL. There is no way they could sell these blocks just like they were from the old company without checking for quality control or they would be in the same trouble. These blocks had to have some new procedures done on them to pass the strict requirements of the new owners so you would get a good block in the end. If they satisfied ALL of the backorders first for ZERO profit, then they would be out of business. So far they have not even SOLD any new blocks. Give them a chance. I applaud them for taking this big risk.

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Originally Posted By fastmark
Originally Posted By copchaser
I'm glad there are available. But in all reality this post by RBRE is a very low blow. I've had a block on order for 2 1/2 years now, paid for in full. Tim Banner said he was waiting on sleeves. As in he wanted to order a truck load of sleeves before any blocks would be released. Now I'm even more curious who else has paid for a block and still is getting the run around. Really sours the hobby.


"Sours the hobby"??? I don't think so. Your problem is with Keith Black, the old company. They took money for products and they could not deliver. That happens on a regular basis in this country, right before they file for bankruptcy and then they get to keep the money legally. Thankfully, that did not happen. I have dealt with Tim Banning and he is a straight up guy. From what I here, the other new owners are as well. They did not have to buy the debt of the old Keith Black company. They could have let all you guys that paid money just be SOL. There is no way they could sell these blocks just like they were from the old company without checking for quality control or they would be in the same trouble. These blocks had to have some new procedures done on them to pass the strict requirements of the new owners so you would get a good block in the end. If they satisfied ALL of the backorders first for ZERO profit, then they would be out of business. So far they have not even SOLD any new blocks. Give them a chance. I applaud them for taking this big risk.



Exactly - anyone that had a block on order and $$$$ involved should be playing the lottery with the luck they now have that they will get something from a NEW Company that saved what was going to be a Bankrupt (closed) Company!99% of companies that buy/take over another failing company do NOT take on it's commitment to fulfill previous orders already paid for to the going bankrupt company.

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2295397
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Keith Black did not go bankrupt. Ken Black and his mother still own part of the company. There for serious fraud has been taking place. Now, I'm very happy blocks are available, it's great that RBRE got one or maybe even more than one. Now my block is poured, machined, I have pics of it, the serial number assigned to it. It's been waiting on sleeves for a year now. What's so expensive about dropping in the sleeves and sending it out the door? I myself own 2 business. I've bought several and sold several business in the past. When you buy the business, you buy the debt, inventory, contracts, etc. There are always stipulations. I repeat, Keith Black did not go broke. Ken and his mother do still own a share of the company. About to go bankrupt and going bankrupt are not the same thing. If Keith Black had filed bankruptcy I would have my block. I have plenty of documents from Ken clearly saying and showing my block with the serial number 426-555. My posts were not intended to start a urinating contest.

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