Re: The Borgeson box *&$*$%# Continued!
[Re: 68rrunner]
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04/18/17 09:50 PM
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Wow, price on these bad boys is through the floor. I seem to remember they were around $770.00 at launch. Just checked my pricing and I can get it for $471.75, MSRP is $566.10
Now that we all know how to make these work, its a bit more viable of an option. Where did you get that price at and is that everything you need to make it work
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Re: The Borgeson box *&$*$%# Continued!
[Re: 68rrunner]
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04/23/17 02:16 AM
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UPDATE! Shimmed the box closer to header (Opposite of where I needed it to go) so the angle into the column was livable. Machined out the master splines on the pitman. Clocked it over three teeth and it's now within factory specs. Box is now on center with factory spline of steering wheel, tie rods are even, feels good! If you get this box, prepare to hack! On a related note, I have determined that the factory coupling mechanism is not designed to take much deflection from straight.
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Re: The Borgeson box *&$*$%# Continued!
[Re: redmist]
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04/30/17 12:09 AM
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[quote=BergmanAutoCraft]Or call me for advice? Not on this board.... [/quote
See my response below.
I appreciate that, I work during the day (Home with sick kids today) So a phone call is often hard for me.
***So you can post at 11:18 am? My cell works 24hrs. I dont know who you purchased the box from, regardless, pics would be helpful. You know the e and b k frames although interchangeable have slightly different box mounting angles too? Without pics or direct communication its hard for me to help. Situations change drastically when it becomes person to person.***
Honestly lets just do it here.... If you have some information, please share it right here on the board. That's the whole point of this thread, and these forums.
Lets get this information out so others can learn.
Right now I see a sector shaft that was machined incorrectly from center to master spline, and I see mounting ears that are incorrectly fixtured.
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Re: The Borgeson box *&$*$%# Continued!
[Re: BergmanAutoCraft]
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04/30/17 11:14 AM
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What is your name. I recieved 0 messages. My email and cell are on my site 24hrs. 516 384 6438. Ok, I didn't call your cell phone. I called the 631 number. My name is Chris
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Re: The Borgeson box *&$*$%# Continued!
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05/01/17 03:25 PM
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^^^^^ Well "I" tried to call you 4 times last week. The answer I get is that your always in the shop. Left you my return information and no returned calls. If the b-bodys are having trouble with this box because of different mounting angles why even try to sell it. A lot of us are looking for a direct bolt in and dont have the time, tools or skills for a hack job. Step back a second. There have been some instances in the 300+ boxes I've sold with unexplained angles. B/E Ks are interchangeable, however, the bodies are different in terms of the location of the columns, I have found cases where K's were not with their respective bodies.
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Re: The Borgeson box *&$*$%# Continued!
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05/02/17 12:27 AM
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Step back a second.
There have been some instances in the 300+ boxes I've sold with unexplained angles.
B/E Ks are interchangeable, however, the bodies are different in terms of the location of the columns, I have found cases where K's were not with their respective bodies.
Then why would a factory box fit fine before the swap? So far I'm 2 for 3 installed having alignment issues. The other one leaked from the weld. All 3 were swaps with their original K Frames and factory boxes. I'm probably going to pull the trigger on #4 before my June track day.
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Re: The Borgeson box *&$*$%# Continued!
[Re: 68rrunner]
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05/02/17 12:56 PM
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Step back a second.
There have been some instances in the 300+ boxes I've sold with unexplained angles.
B/E Ks are interchangeable, however, the bodies are different in terms of the location of the columns, I have found cases where K's were not with their respective bodies.
Then why would a factory box fit fine before the swap? So far I'm 2 for 3 installed having alignment issues. The other one leaked from the weld. All 3 were swaps with their original K Frames and factory boxes. I'm probably going to pull the trigger on #4 before my June track day. If you look closely at the OE boxes there is a very small operating angle. Because the new box is narrower and needs the angle to point towards the steering column, this angle is exaggerated.
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Re: The Borgeson box *&$*$%# Continued!
[Re: Kern Dog]
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05/03/17 11:06 AM
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I sit in wonder as to why some people complain so damn much. I understand that this is not an inexpensive upgrade but WHY don't people ask more questions or do more research before reaching for the credit card? I read from people that must have a rosy view, buying stuff on total faith that it will be a perfect fit without any "brain work" at all. Do these same people buy crate motors or actually build them themselves? I am not an expert at anything automotive but I do have some skills. I am bright enough to understand that some parts require some slight modifications to work. Any Holley carburetor needs a throttle adapter if the car has an automatic transmission. Sometimes headers need a few dings to clear a torsion bar or steering linkage. I don't see this as needing an adapter or adjustment; I see this as defective pieces or a part made to sub-par specs. And as a guy who builds these cars for a living, I can tell you if a company doesn't make a part that fits, we build it from scratch. We have a running joke at our shop when we buy "bolt on parts" like this. We sarcastically say: "Bolt on parts that you can install with basic hand tools in your driveway on a Saturday!" while we are chucking up a spacer in the lathe or mounting the "bolt on part" into the mill before we get ready to TIG weld an adapter together. You get the idea. Companies have 3 ways of dealing with this. -Like this case it's deny deny deny and then try to blame the cars, installers, weather, gravitational pull of the moon. anything but the product; While claiming "Call me! I have the magic bullet!" While other installers are actually providing tech help and doing the homework that the original manufacturer and resellers should have done in the first place during R&D. -Build pieces to a good average spec after test fitting on numerous chassis' and provide detailed instructions on pit falls and problems (and a lot of shims)while providing robust support on the forums and over the phone while also visiting installers shops to help folks new to the product. -Just build [censored] products and make as much money as you can until people figure out they've got better options and your company goes [censored] up and leave the community and customers helpless.
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Re: The Borgeson box *&$*$%# Continued!
[Re: redmist]
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05/03/17 11:29 AM
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Well said Dan. I may be lucky so far as the unit I received from Peter appears to line up fine on my k with the engine/trans/headers bolted to it. As I remember the angles were fine the last time I had slipped it into the bay for test fits. Will have to look again to make sure the next time I have it in there for further test fits. Peter does have a point too regarding the possibilties of k swaps being done over the years and how that can effect the outcome. But bottom line, when a company makes a product that is advertised as a "bolt up" unit, it needs to be. People should not have to field engineer fixes. Not everyone with a project car has the ability to figure out a fix. The unit should have been engineered, both on paper[ theory] and on the intended vehicle[ reality], which is where some engineers fail as they have never worked on something a day in their life.
Carl Kessel
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