Re: CLEAR THE AIR ON SB HEAD CHOICE
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Since most of these aluminum heads have no heat cross over, is there a tip to getting the intake warm enough on cold winter days? How cold do you plan racing in.. a piece of cardboard in the radiator till it warms up
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Re: CLEAR THE AIR ON SB HEAD CHOICE
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Mid 12's, buy a set of reconditioned Indy heads for $500. They come with new Stainless 2.02 / 1.60 valves, bronze guides, springs, seals, locks, retainers. Take them apart, pocket port and gasket match them, and that should put you in the mid 12 range on the cheap. On these... where do you buy reconditioned Indy heads.. I wouldnt mind finding a set of 360-1s at a reasonable price Lower right hand corner of their advertising page. These are standard LA type heads mike - believe mine are 915 castings. I took mine apart and just did some pocket porting work and port matching to them. I run them on my street rod 360 motor. This guy is only looking to run mid 12's. He doesn't need 360's, W-2's, or anything like that to run mid 12's with his combo.
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Re: CLEAR THE AIR ON SB HEAD CHOICE
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Mid 12's, buy a set of reconditioned Indy heads for $500. They come with new Stainless 2.02 / 1.60 valves, bronze guides, springs, seals, locks, retainers. Take them apart, pocket port and gasket match them, and that should put you in the mid 12 range on the cheap. On these... where do you buy reconditioned Indy heads.. I wouldnt mind finding a set of 360-1s at a reasonable price Lower right hand corner of their advertising page. These are standard LA type heads mike - believe mine are 915 castings. I took mine apart and just did some pocket porting work and port matching to them. I run them on my street rod 360 motor. This guy is only looking to run mid 12's. He doesn't need 360's, W-2's, or anything like that to run mid 12's with his combo. Yeah I know he doesnt need the W-2s but just put it out there... I would like to find a set of 360-1 and the intake so I could pull the W-2s off
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Re: CLEAR THE AIR ON SB HEAD CHOICE
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Since most of these aluminum heads have no heat cross over, is there a tip to getting the intake warm enough on cold winter days? You don't need heat risers in most cases if you use a electric or mechanical/cable choke. Or fuel injection. My edlebrock headed 340 and 440 has not had them for over 10 years now and do not miss them especially during the real hot summer days. Here's my 340 car idling warming up before I drive it this past Januray when it was 7°F this morning. The car is stored outside and sat for 2-3 weeks since I last started it. Just have to have the choke hooked and working on the carb. On the salty streets! They do have flat roads in Cincinnati
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Re: CLEAR THE AIR ON SB HEAD CHOICE
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Thinking may next two small block head purchases will be a set of W7 heads for a 48 degree block I bought since I got Jessel rockers and intake with it and a set of edelbrock Victor heads for my R3 block in my black duster to see if I can get it in the 8's I am doing a w7 build at the moment they are a nice head flow 377@ 700 and all i can say about them is its a head that will out live you and handle heaps of boost very thick deck and casting s .
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Re: CLEAR THE AIR ON SB HEAD CHOICE
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Rods heads indeed look like nice pieces, and I applaud him for all the time and effort it took for him to be able to bring these to market.
However....... That doesn't mean they are going to be the best choice for every build. I think they are overkill for a stock stroke 360 in a 12 second car.
If I were making the decisions, it would get Edelbrock rpm heads. You do realize he has a stock rocker head, as I all ready stated, that is a direct comparison to the edelbrock. You will just get a better casting and more flow out of the box, so it's a win win.
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Re: CLEAR THE AIR ON SB HEAD CHOICE
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Rods heads indeed look like nice pieces, and I applaud him for all the time and effort it took for him to be able to bring these to market.
However....... That doesn't mean they are going to be the best choice for every build. I think they are overkill for a stock stroke 360 in a 12 second car.
If I were making the decisions, it would get Edelbrock rpm heads. You do realize he has a stock rocker head, as I all ready stated, that is a direct comparison to the edelbrock. You will just get a better casting and more flow out of the box, so it's a win win. With that reasoning, every head manufacturer that makes 23* SBC heads should only offer the largest runner volume version they make, since that will be a "win win" for every application. In the OP's application, I don't think the added 30cc of runner volume will be worth much in terms of better time slips. Are the BPE heads similar in price to the RPM heads? ($1367/pr, complete, to your door)
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Re: CLEAR THE AIR ON SB HEAD CHOICE
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Rods heads indeed look like nice pieces, and I applaud him for all the time and effort it took for him to be able to bring these to market.
However....... That doesn't mean they are going to be the best choice for every build. I think they are overkill for a stock stroke 360 in a 12 second car.
If I were making the decisions, it would get Edelbrock rpm heads. You do realize he has a stock rocker head, as I all ready stated, that is a direct comparison to the edelbrock. You will just get a better casting and more flow out of the box, so it's a win win. With that reasoning, every head manufacturer that makes 23* SBC heads should only offer the largest runner volume version they make, since that will be a "win win" for every application. In the OP's application, I don't think the added 30cc of runner volume will be worth much in terms of better time slips. Are the BPE heads similar in price to the RPM heads? ($1367/pr, complete, to your door) Your being oddly( for you) kinda hard headed. Those heads by Rod are fully CNC ported by a high end respected shop, the ports were designed by a stud at such things, and the quality and potential are outstanding. Those Eddie heads are far from ready to run out of the box. 90% of guys sooner or later upgrade. It's the nature of this hobby. Why not buy a better head with WAY more potential right out of the gate... that uses the same rocker gear and everything else. Heck if your gonna think the way you are, just port the factory heads and still get where the guy wants to get.
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Re: CLEAR THE AIR ON SB HEAD CHOICE
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Id say maybe the point is, putting rods heads on a build like this would be like putting 360-1s on a mild cammed 318, its just not a good match.
Id think Rods heads would give some of the 360-1s a run for the money, so would you recommend 360-1s on this build here to run 12-s? At probably over 3k delivered?
If the improvement deal is that big of a factor, just jump to the new victors, where do you stop? For that matter dump the la and goto the new hemi, again where does it stop?
And really low 10-s, high 9-s is not a hard task with the eddies, folks have been doing it for years, clearly not ootb though.
Get the op what he needs here, not the buy my mopar friends heads. Rods heads will sell on there own to the right market if the testing and semi long term use pan out.
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Re: CLEAR THE AIR ON SB HEAD CHOICE
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Is anyone running Rods heads yet? What do they cost a pair? My guess with Brett doing the port design is that they will run hard. The bigger question is does the OP need/can use them or can afford them? 2125.00 bare plus tax and shipping
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Re: CLEAR THE AIR ON SB HEAD CHOICE
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I wouldn't think the BPE (probably comparable to the Airwolfs on my 414) would be too large a port on a 10.5 360 with decent stall/gears and something like an RPM intake...not to the point where it would adversely kill torque on the street. It's not like its an 8.75:1 motor with 2200 stall and 2.94 rearend gears.
When the port is borderline too big move the cam up a few degrees to tighten up the Intake closing event/static compression. A lot of Chevy 350 guys would kill to have a 2.08 intake valve and a ~230-ish port that flows over 300 cfm. Might be overkill potential wise, but again, I'd rather have room to grow for not much more $$$.
I'd rather have a better head with room to grow (stroker down the road) than compromise, a slightly smaller duration cam is cheaper and will still make better power than the same cam with a more modest port. 360's generally don't lack for torque. if it was a 340 same/same everything else, I might back off the port cross section.
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Re: CLEAR THE AIR ON SB HEAD CHOICE
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There has been a few posts on Sb heads. I just went through them. Personal choices, rumors and all out race suggestions. I need a set of SB heads to move my 3300 lbs M body to consistent muffled 12.00's to run a 12.50 index this year. Short block - 360, .030, 520/540 w/ 290 duration, 10.5 compression with a 68cc combustion chamber and a 4.10 rear. Waiting on the final combo before I select a converter. All I need is to select a pair of heads. I have a set of 308's that need a total rebuild, but when you calculate the cost of a rebuild a new set, new iron /aluminum, is about the same. Any thoughts? THX Once again the crowd goes crazy. He doesn't need 2500.00 heads and Edelbrock heads are junk as shipped now so they need checked and a quick clean up that most guys can handle. I've bought a lot of the over the years and quality has gone downhill big time. 40 years ago we ran 11's with stock junk parts and polished and buffed stock 2.02 heads and guy's are still doing today and even faster with nice Pistons and better cams. Bigger isn't always better. Goodluck and have fun.
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Re: CLEAR THE AIR ON SB HEAD CHOICE
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Well I think this thread has thoroughly cleared the air. It's as clear as asphalt now.
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Re: CLEAR THE AIR ON SB HEAD CHOICE
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I always wondered why this site never had a post in the archives with big and small block 8, 9,10,11,12,13,and 14 second builds like the old Dirrect Connection books used to. We could still add to them over the years but it would be fun to have both budget build and higher costs builds
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Re: CLEAR THE AIR ON SB HEAD CHOICE
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Id say maybe the point is, putting rods heads on a build like this would be like putting 360-1s on a mild cammed 318, its just not a good match.
Id think Rods heads would give some of the 360-1s a run for the money, so would you recommend 360-1s on this build here to run 12-s? At probably over 3k delivered?
If the improvement deal is that big of a factor, just jump to the new victors, where do you stop? For that matter dump the la and goto the new hemi, again where does it stop?
And really low 10-s, high 9-s is not a hard task with the eddies, folks have been doing it for years, clearly not ootb though.
Get the op what he needs here, not the buy my mopar friends heads. Rods heads will sell on there own to the right market if the testing and semi long term use pan out. It's not like you couldnt run 12's with that better head as well. While still using all your same rocker gear , intake, etc. then have room to grow down the line , as most do. Guess I just think more deeply about this. Say you get the eddies, fix them up and install them..... down the road you havee to tear the top of the motor off it you want them ported..... time, labor, gaskets, etc. get the ones Rod sells they never have to come off once installed. Just do it right, do it once. Every day they are on there they are a better head
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Re: CLEAR THE AIR ON SB HEAD CHOICE
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Id say maybe the point is, putting rods heads on a build like this would be like putting 360-1s on a mild cammed 318, its just not a good match.
Id think Rods heads would give some of the 360-1s a run for the money, so would you recommend 360-1s on this build here to run 12-s? At probably over 3k delivered?
If the improvement deal is that big of a factor, just jump to the new victors, where do you stop? For that matter dump the la and goto the new hemi, again where does it stop?
And really low 10-s, high 9-s is not a hard task with the eddies, folks have been doing it for years, clearly not ootb though.
Get the op what he needs here, not the buy my mopar friends heads. Rods heads will sell on there own to the right market if the testing and semi long term use pan out. It's not like you couldnt run 12's with that better head as well. While still using all your same rocker gear , intake, etc. then have room to grow down the line , as most do. Guess I just think more deeply about this. Say you get the eddies, fix them up and install them..... down the road you havee to tear the top of the motor off it you want them ported..... time, labor, gaskets, etc. get the ones Rod sells they never have to come off once installed. Just do it right, do it once. Every day they are on there they are a better head How about the guys on a budget, just happy getting to the track a few time a month, or year. My budget has gone up a little over the years but i sure had a lot of FUN running 11's and 12's instead of having the car sit unused because I had a pretty set of heads on the shelf. What heads are on your car now??? Heck I finally bought my first set of aluminum heads in 2000 while going through a divorce. So I had about 25 years of running stock cast iron junk. LOL. I wish Tim Bowman would step in and tell us about the cast iron magnum heads. I ran my fingers through a set of those at his house and fell in love with the short turn. Those dog-gone heads will work.
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