Re: Graveyard Cars Phantom Cuda
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It seems you can put the vin on new AMD panels you just can't put it on a complete donor car. How does one determine who did what in that case after the car is done? This subject gets very very interesting and very vague short of nobody ever placing or replacing any stampings or vin numbers anywhere regardless of whether it is the Phantom Cuda or not?? Would these folks be accused of Faking tags and stampings?? I am just very curious how this works. Once that car is done, can we still call it that very special Phantom Cuda?
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Re: Graveyard Cars Phantom Cuda
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This subject gets very very interesting and very vague short of nobody ever placing or replacing any stampings or vin numbers anywhere regardless of whether it is the Phantom Cuda or not?? Talk to your local Secretary of State... They issue the registrations... And the titles...
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Re: Graveyard Cars Phantom Cuda
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They didn't cover much detail about their "signature" car maybe to skip prying eyes. I would be curious what they will do with it after it is done. Is it theirs or a customer car? Maybe it was to showcase what could be done with all the new sheetmetal that we can get these days. They kind of gave up on it and then sent it over to AMD who practically replaced every panel on that car. So my question I am trying to get answered was whether that car is still that car?
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Re: Graveyard Cars Phantom Cuda
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They didn't cover much detail about their "signature" car maybe to skip prying eyes. I would be curious what they will do with it after it is done. Is it theirs or a customer car? Maybe it was to showcase what could be done with all the new sheetmetal that we can get these days. It belongs to a customer - not them.
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Re: Graveyard Cars Phantom Cuda
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So the last time a "simple" question similar to this was asked it spawned a 20 page debate! And of course there is no definitive "answer", just each individual's opinion. Ya, I guess your right. Each individuals opinion. Snowstorms are boring.
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Re: Graveyard Cars Phantom Cuda
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At Moparconnectionmagazine.com we are doing a 70 Hemi Cuda convertible. Everyone on here was saying AMD Installations only do rust repair and replace panels. Think again! Go here for the introduction of the project: http://moparconnectionmagazine.com/galle...us-project-yet/Craig and Bill and their shop are miracle workers. I have the car back now and I am blown away! Numbers were not moved. It is a tribute car but still has it's original documentation. The best part is once they start on the car in 6 - 8 weeks it is done! We will share the follow up to this story soon.
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Re: Graveyard Cars Phantom Cuda
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You only need one vin on the car - the one on the dashboard.... Why on earth the vin tag was riveted to the dash pad is beyond me. So much angst is caused when restoring one.
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Re: Graveyard Cars Phantom Cuda
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You only need one vin on the car - the one on the dashboard.... Why on earth the vin tag was riveted to the dash pad is beyond me. So much angst is caused when restoring one. Another real good point. How do you replace and restore an ebody dash pad without removing and reinstalling the vin tag. Now once it is removed how do you ever know it was originally on the car? But places like just dashes does them all the time and there is no talk about it. I think the rules are all over the place.
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Re: Graveyard Cars Phantom Cuda
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Why on earth the vin tag was riveted to the dash pad is beyond me. So much angst is caused when restoring one. Well, where else would be a good place that's still visible? Wouldn't it be hilarious if someone uncovered minutes from a corporate meeting in which it was decided "VINs will be installed on the dash to simplify repairs and facilitate a complete body swap in the event of major structural damage".
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Re: Graveyard Cars Phantom Cuda
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You only need one vin on the car - the one on the dashboard.... Why on earth the vin tag was riveted to the dash pad is beyond me. So much angst is caused when restoring one. Another real good point. How do you replace and restore an ebody dash pad without removing and reinstalling the vin tag. Now once it is removed how do you ever know it was originally on the car? But places like just dashes does them all the time and there is no talk about it. I think the rules are all over the place. A vehicle is legally defined by it's paperwork, nothing more, nothing less, if you own the tags and title, your free to replace any and all components including a replacement body Circled in red are the only "original" components of the GYC/AMD Cuda left for "restoration"
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Re: Graveyard Cars Phantom Cuda
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The serial number of my Challenger and likely all you all's Mopars is stamped on the cowl and as I recall near the radiator supports,,,perhaps other points. Dealing with this is a bit more complicated than popping on a repro vin plate.
IMHO this matter of matching numbers and original factory components has reached a point of irrelevance and has become just a bit farcical.. Corvettes in particular,,,however all marquees are almost as guilty,,,with their Bloomington, Duntov, and Top Flight awards being people's exhibit number one. Example, a perfect undetectable reproduction of a 67 Vette L 88 with all perfect documentation is worth let's say 125,000.00. One of the 20 so called 'real' ones might bring 3 to 4 million at auction,,,,and no one could be absolutely positive that the one they hold is not a clone,,,,and the 'real' one with the same vin is squelched away somewhere in someone's garage or buried elsewhere.
I would venture to suggest if one were to bring back 10 assembly line workers from the factories of any of makes that are at any concours where these 100 point cars are being showed, and ax them what they thought of how close to factory standard and original they appeared,,,when they were finished choking with laughter,,,they likely would all say, "we didn't build that". Somewhat at odds with the object of restoring the car to the standard of the moment it left the sssemly line. True perfect so called "survivors" get a pass on this. However even they have been successfully cloned as their subjective values have dramatically increased in some instances.
This all has certainly developed a cottage industry of counterfeit cars and Barrett Jackson auctions. There is not a car that has ever been built that some creative genius could not duplicate to such a degree of perfection that the most expert of experts could not be and likely have been fooled by.
Happens all the time in fine art and Korean and Iranian manufacturered hundred dollar bills, why not cars, they are far easier.
As some wag once stated: "Follow the money".
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