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Re: I love my Mopars and will never change but
[Re: plycuda]
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what killed mopar is no rear wheel drive cars for years and years This certainly didn't help. Lee Iaccoa was hailed as a genius. He is actually far from it. He set the company back a decade or two by selling out to the government.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: I love my Mopars and will never change but
[Re: cudaman1969]
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I think the other way, make it affordable then people WILL buy it. But if done the other way, all you guinea pigs step foward and buy them then or if the price comes down, the rest of us will buy. Too bad it doesn't work like that in the REAL world. Developing, casting and machining blocks costs X amount of dollars, regardless of the brand. So to cover your investment and make a little you have to project how many you will sell. If you think you will sell 10,000 you can price them way cheaper than if you think you will sell 1000. If you expect to ever buy a Mopar block as cheap as a Chevy, you are living in a dream world
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Re: I love my Mopars and will never change but
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MattW
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You guys kill me!
Looking for a cheap block, buy the hellcat block for 1600.
I'll bet it's will take 1500 hp no problem.
G3 factory heads outperform all small block heads and most big block offerings. Need more then go thitek.
They make more power with less input!
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Re: I love my Mopars and will never change but
[Re: madscientist]
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what killed mopar is no rear wheel drive cars for years and years This certainly didn't help. Lee Iaccoa was hailed as a genius. He is actually far from it. He set the company back a decade or two by selling out to the government. He did what he had to do to keep the company afloat.. saved my job and I'm damn glad he did.. if he didnt you wouldnt have to worry at all about the Chrysler stuff you have today.. it wouldnt be here 
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Re: I love my Mopars and will never change but
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STEFF
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Just curious.......every time there is a block discussion, the $2-2500 price gets thrown around. What deems that as a fair prce for a block? 15 years ago, blocks were 2-2500 new. In these times, I don't see a privateer offering a nitche' market block for that cheap. And yes, in 2016, Mopars are a nitche' market. Also, in the overall cost of a stout engine build, a $1000-1500 more for an aftermarket engine block over the 2-2500 price is small potatoes.
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Re: I love my Mopars and will never change but
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12/15/16 09:07 PM
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Triple Threat
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Just curious.......every time there is a block discussion, the $2-2500 price gets thrown around. What deems that as a fair prce for a block? 15 years ago, blocks were 2-2500 new. In these times, I don't see a privateer offering a nitche' market block for that cheap. And yes, in 2016, Mopars are a nitche' market. Also, in the overall cost of a stout engine build, a $1000-1500 more for an aftermarket engine block over the 2-2500 price is small potatoes. I agree with this, and there is "data" to back it up. Whats the price range on the Arrow/ MP gen 3 blocks, the HHP block, an Indy or anything else? Everything is $4-5K to start and goes up with options. If he has good core boxes it might save him a couple bucks in tooling, but it's still not going to be cheap to get a run of blocks Cast and to market. And if they came to Market tomorrow for $1999, mopar guys are still going to cry that a Chevy Dart block is cheaper. Economies of Scale
-Dustin
67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi
68 Barracuda 340 F/SA
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Re: I love my Mopars and will never change but
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12/15/16 09:43 PM
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I thought last year the Jeg's catalog had new LS blocks for $299 Correct, and Summit has them right now. Sad.
1970 Challenger, all aluminum 528 Hemi, HDK suspension, Tremec 5 speed manual
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Re: I love my Mopars and will never change but
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12/15/16 09:55 PM
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I prefer the banked corners of a dirt oval  Hell Yea!!!  Dam Circle-jerks. LOL
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422 Indy headed small block
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Re: I love my Mopars and will never change but
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12/15/16 10:16 PM
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 This man is local to me .. Those heads alone are anywhere from $2,800-$3,300 alone... That engine has more than 6,500 in parts.. Heads are on jegs for right at 1600 Those are for BARE heads. OK which head does mopar so have that's compared to them look at that price ..apple to apple.. I'm heading down to his shop in a few days to see what we can get together in mopar...but I have been thinking of switching to the other side I'm not 40yrs invested in mopar ..love my cars ..2002 ram 1500 new motor about 4 mouths ago now Trans. Is going out 1700 more dollars ..dash cracked all to sh.t..in 2003 mopar told me it was a there fault not putting uv protection in it but no recall so I need to kick out the 450 for a new dash..I'm not brand loyal but do love to race and not just watch ..
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Re: I love my Mopars and will never change but
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12/15/16 10:28 PM
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what killed mopar is no rear wheel drive cars for years and years This certainly didn't help. Lee Iaccoa was hailed as a genius. He is actually far from it. He set the company back a decade or two by selling out to the government. He did what he had to do to keep the company afloat.. saved my job and I'm damn glad he did.. if he didnt you wouldnt have to worry at all about the Chrysler stuff you have today.. it wouldnt be here That's just not true. If Chrysler had gone through a bankruptcy, which they could have legally done, they would not have been bound to the government as to where to spend money etc. You can glorify the guy all you want, but to me, he is a running joke. Chrysler could have been saved by normal business channels.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: I love my Mopars and will never change but
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what killed mopar is no rear wheel drive cars for years and years This certainly didn't help. Lee Iaccoa was hailed as a genius. He is actually far from it. He set the company back a decade or two by selling out to the government. You must get your knowledge from "fake news" sites. First of all, Iacocca asked for (and received) loan guarantees from the government, essentially a co-signer to private loans. They were paid off early with interest to the government. Chrysler built FWD cars because that's what both the market and the government (through free-market interference) demanded. The resources didn't exist for a modern RWD platform until the advent of the LH car. Iacocca had the foresight to purchase Jeep (saving jobs), invest in minivans, approve the DR ('94) trucks, approved the V10 and Viper. He built a billion dollar engineering campus that is still the best in the US, if not earth. He relied to long on K-platforms and should have made Jerry York CEO. He admits Eaton was a mistake and tried to rectify it. He was the only CEO to leave the company better than he found it since WPC. Now go get your shinebox.
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Re: I love my Mopars and will never change but
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I think the other way, make it affordable then people WILL buy it. But if done the other way, all you guinea pigs step foward and buy them then or if the price comes down, the rest of us will buy. So when can we expect you to produce an affordable block? how soon will you start production? when will they ship?
526 cubes of angry wedge, pushbutton shifted, 9 passenger killer!
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Re: I love my Mopars and will never change but
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Now go get your shinebox. LMAO... Nicely done... (The amount of arm-chair quarterbackin' on this 'Mopar' site never ceases to amaze...
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Re: I love my Mopars and will never change but
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what killed mopar is no rear wheel drive cars for years and years This certainly didn't help. Lee Iaccoa was hailed as a genius. He is actually far from it. He set the company back a decade or two by selling out to the government. You must get your knowledge from "fake news" sites. First of all, Iacocca asked for (and received) loan guarantees from the government, essentially a co-signer to private loans. They were paid off early with interest to the government. Chrysler built FWD cars because that's what both the market and the government (through free-market interference) demanded. The resources didn't exist for a modern RWD platform until the advent of the LH car. Iacocca had the foresight to purchase Jeep (saving jobs), invest in minivans, approve the DR ('94) trucks, approved the V10 and Viper. He built a billion dollar engineering campus that is still the best in the US, if not earth. He relied to long on K-platforms and should have made Jerry York CEO. He admits Eaton was a mistake and tried to rectify it. He was the only CEO to leave the company better than he found it since WPC. Now go get your shinebox. The fact that you THINK your first sentence is a good idea proves you have no idea what you are talking about. Bite me.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: I love my Mopars and will never change but
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12/15/16 11:41 PM
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Yeah I pay lots more than my friends for parts but I'm faster than most of them  What do you do ? I was 5 years old in 1970 watching my dad race a 63 Max Wedge Plymouth and he purchased a Vit C R/T Charger in 71, destiny, MOPAR or no car.
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