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Is it possible to make ladder bars work corectly with leaf springs or do you need coilovers?

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You can use the leaf springs,
If you use a housing floater kit.
I did not like the floater kit.
I switched over to Coil-overs.

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Sure, there are guys that run this set up... but I
have to ask.... why. To me its a redundancy thing.
Lets break it down, the front segment of the spring
does the same job as the ladder bar... it holds the
axle in place and lifts the body but the spring has
possible rap up where the bars dont. Next is the rear
portion of the leaf spring... this is the part that
allows the body to move up and down.... and hold the
body up. This is the equivalent to the coil on the
shock.... they are equal but the leaf weighs more.
Shocks... they both do the same job but the coil over
shock has a couple of alum parts to hold the spring
Over all.... why run both it would be heavy.... JMO

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waste of time imo. you are going through the trouble to put ladders on why would you want to use a leaf spring

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Heres the thing , If we go coil over I have to step up from super stock to pro stock , we tried heavy springs in front of axle with lighter springs aft of axle with sliders , bent the hell out of the springs so we went heavyer and truck wont stay on the ground,took out some spring & we added ladder bars and rear is too stiff , bars fighting leafs but best so far, the floaters look like they are made for spring under axle we are over axle? if we flip the floaters upside down we raise the rear up too high? trying to keep the weight as close to the ground as possible

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Heres the thing , If we go coil over I have to step up from super stock to pro stock , we tried heavy springs in front of axle with lighter springs aft of axle with sliders , bent the hell out of the springs so we went heavyer and truck wont stay on the ground,took out some spring & we added ladder bars and rear is too stiff , bars fighting leafs but best so far, the floaters look like they are made for spring under axle we are over axle? if we flip the floaters upside down we raise the rear up too high? trying to keep the weight as close to the ground as possible




are we talking drag racing or mud bogging?

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once you put the ladder bars and floaters on the leaf springs merely hold the car up.this will work fine especially on the street.leaf springs alone can wrap up and cause wheel hop and other issues.some times slapper bars can help . with ladder bars the rearend wants travels in a different arch then when bolted solid to the leaf springs,thus the need for the floaters.they allow the rearend to move without binding.
but leafsprings are heavy and do not allow the chassis tuning advantage of coil overs.coilovers also require some sort of track locater to control side to side movement which sometimes can cause street driving problems.not an issue on a drag only car

i have done it both ways with no problems although i give the ladder bar/coilover set up the


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are we talking drag racing or mud bogging?




i thoght we were talking street/strip here


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Heres the thing , If we go coil over I have to step up from super stock to pro stock , we tried heavy springs in front of axle with lighter springs aft of axle with sliders , bent the hell out of the springs so we went heavyer and truck wont stay on the ground,took out some spring & we added ladder bars and rear is too stiff , bars fighting leafs but best so far, the floaters look like they are made for spring under axle we are over axle? if we flip the floaters upside down we raise the rear up too high? trying to keep the weight as close to the ground as possible




are we talking drag racing or mud bogging?


Hey Quick thy aint slicks on back

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are we talking drag racing or mud bogging?




i thoght we were talking street/strip here




I don't really know, I thought this was drag racing? then he showed a pic of a mud truck

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Heres the thing , If we go coil over I have to step up from super stock to pro stock , we tried heavy springs in front of axle with lighter springs aft of axle with sliders , bent the hell out of the springs so we went heavyer and truck wont stay on the ground,took out some spring & we added ladder bars and rear is too stiff , bars fighting leafs but best so far, the floaters look like they are made for spring under axle we are over axle? if we flip the floaters upside down we raise the rear up too high? trying to keep the weight as close to the ground as possible




are we talking drag racing or mud bogging?


Hey Quick thy aint slicks on back




I know thats what concerned me

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just saw the picture myself so disregard my input , please


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Heres the thing , If we go coil over I have to step up from super stock to pro stock , we tried heavy springs in front of axle with lighter springs aft of axle with sliders , bent the hell out of the springs so we went heavyer and truck wont stay on the ground,took out some spring & we added ladder bars and rear is too stiff , bars fighting leafs but best so far, the floaters look like they are made for spring under axle we are over axle? if we flip the floaters upside down we raise the rear up too high? trying to keep the weight as close to the ground as possible




Looks like you will be making your own floaters. Or
if you can have the same IC of the front spring eye
and the front heim joint on the ladder bars(same
fore and aft and vertical height) you would have a
common IC and wouldnt be fighting each other

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just saw the picture myself so disregard my input , please




mine too, I have no freaking idea how it would work on a mud truck need to be a little more specific. we mostly talk drag racing here. I think

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just saw the picture myself so disregard my input , please




mine too, I have no freaking idea how it would work on a mud truck need to be a little more specific. we mostly talk drag racing here. I think


Sorry for the confusion , you just gota look at at like drag racing with hidden speed bumps

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Heres the thing , If we go coil over I have to step up from super stock to pro stock , we tried heavy springs in front of axle with lighter springs aft of axle with sliders , bent the hell out of the springs so we went heavyer and truck wont stay on the ground,took out some spring & we added ladder bars and rear is too stiff , bars fighting leafs but best so far, the floaters look like they are made for spring under axle we are over axle? if we flip the floaters upside down we raise the rear up too high? trying to keep the weight as close to the ground as possible




Looks like you will be making your own floaters. Or
if you can have the same IC of the front spring eye
and the front heim joint on the ladder bars(same
fore and aft and vertical height) you would have a
common IC and wouldnt be fighting each other



are you saying to shorten the ladder bar to the same lenght as the leaf mounting point?

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are you saying to shorten the ladder bar to the same lenght as the leaf mounting point?




Or lengthen the springs(if you can and be legal)

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are you saying to shorten the ladder bar to the same lenght as the leaf mounting point?




Or lengthen the springs(if you can and be legal)



Now theres a thought, The springs can be any lenght as long as long as thier not coilover , if the front of the spring is the same lenght as the ladderbar even if they are different hights the arc should be the same?

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Now theres a thought, The springs can be any lenght as long as long as thier not coilover , if the front of the spring is the same lenght as the ladderbar even if they are different hights the arc should be the same?




The issue of 2 IC points is they would fight each
other, the farther apart the greater the fight, try
to get the same IC points. Also does it really have
to be a spring, YEARS ago I clamped a steel bar to
my leaf spring to stiffen it up for traction, it worked
great, took out all of the flex in the front segment.
Like I said earlier the front just holds the rearend
in place and gives lift to the body..... can you
just put a steel bar in, in place of the spring,
clamped or welded to the rearend and a front eye
welded to the bar.... just thinking out loud

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Thanks for the info MR P ,Looks like the mud thing throws some people , the basics are close , most mud racers use drag racing parts and tune a little to see what works , some of the unlimited mud cars are geting close to 60ft times but are doing it in 200ft , Mopars are Mopars does it make a difference , just takes us longer to clean up after a pass

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You need to use the floaters, you are bound up. The ladders and springs are travelling on different radii. In mud you probably don't notice it much, but on pavement with slicks you would be in the wall.

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What Mud Pit do you race at? Lee County Mud Motorsports is 2 miles from my house.


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I still run leaf springs with a four link at 9.18 and 144 MPH.

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I still run leaf springs with a four link at 9.18 and 144 MPH.




it must be working but I have ask why would you do that

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my pops car has been 1.19 60' 8.30 @ 170 3400lbs, 10.5w's. On ladder bars, floaters, and factory leaf springs. It does work.


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my pops car has been 1.19 60' 8.30 @ 170 3400lbs, 10.5w's. On ladder bars, floaters, and factory leaf springs. It does work.




you can throw enough HP at something and still go fast. but what is the reason for running a set up like that when there is better ways to do it? is it because of the class, to save a few bucks? etc. just curious?

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You might want to look into cal-trac's. Don't know if they make them for heavier trucks but you could give them a call. Your right about muddin and drag racing, it about putting the tires to the ground .


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Float the front of the ladder bars,
Done it before , works well.......

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Float the front of the ladder bars,
Done it before , works well.......




That would be the equivalent to slapper bars

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You need a set of sliders on your set up instead of a floater kit,IMHO We used them years ago on a drag car with ladder bars, it would hook up in a mud pit in the middle of a rain storm It least it seemed like it would


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We have sliders @ the back of leafs , they let the rear end of the leaf flex a little but still too stiff , yanked the leafs out this morning to get some clean measurements , going coilover would be really easy but that boots us out of class , I can build floaters for spring over axle or change out to a longer spring to match my IC< MR P > or I can go coil spring like a chebby and stay in my class? Got 2 weeks to figure it out , I think the 4 links work with leafs cause of the 4 hiem joints pivot , the ladder bar is like a solid truss , not much give ,I have never raced at Lee Co. , they run mostly hill & hole , they have a flat track but only ran rails last year, if they open the flat up we will go its about 2hr drive. Well now my mess is apart so keep the ideas comming

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a friend of mine has a old super stock camaro with old SRD ladder bars instead of using floaters they have rollers one on top and one below the spring that come off of mounts on the axle you could make something like that for a spring over axle

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It looks like comp eng makes a bolt on floater for spring under axle ,It looks like to me that once the spring purch is cut off it doesent matter weather its above or below the axle , the hight dosent look too bad?

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you see this car..



very old school gasser..uses the stock leaf suspension with long set of ladder bars and NO floaters..

thats what they did back then and thats whats still on this car...he uses a BOP rear(saginaw 9 1/4") that uses a welded seamed axle housing...

the two different motions or archs of rthe leaves and the ladder bars caused the seam to split open on the axle housing...

just so you know what can happen without a floater to allow the axle to rotate with two oposing forces...

I did fi the rear for him but he was missing pieces from his floater kit so I beefed the axle housing and the ladder bar connection points till he gets the parts or revises the rear suspension..

that 56 goes high nines and I cant figure out how it still passes tech...

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very old school gasser..uses the stock leaf suspension with long set of ladder bars and NO floaters..

thats what they did back then and thats whats still on this car...he uses a BOP rear(saginaw 9 1/4") that uses a welded seamed axle housing...

the two different motions or archs of rthe leaves and the ladder bars caused the seam to split open on the axle housing...

just so you know what can happen without a floater to allow the axle to rotate with two oposing forces...

I did fi the rear for him but he was missing pieces from his floater kit so I beefed the axle housing and the ladder bar connection points till he gets the parts or revises the rear suspension..

that 56 goes high nines and I cant figure out how it still passes tech...




I'm sure it has enough IC before it binds up that
allows it to hook.... but then again its busting
up parts doing it

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still no body has answered why you would want to set up a modern day race car like this

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We used to have 60" ladder bars with the leafs and a shackle up front , we had too much nose lift , picked front wheels up , went to 33" bars to keep the front wheels from pulling ,<4x4 >, the short bars are way too stiff , had some give on the long bars ,I can see where it will tear stuff up

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Hey, how do air shocks work , do they support the weight of the car? Kinda like coilovers but with air?

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Air Shocks can assist with support. But they arent like coil overs. Or do you mean the air bag support type suspension.

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still no body has answered why you would want to set up a modern day race car like this




Ill answer that!

The answer is Simplicity. Or so it seems when some first do it this way.

Then Later, in almost all cases that Ive seen. It all gets changed out.

Its all about the learning curve, we have all started somewhere on it.

Why do people start out with 8.3/4,s mike

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If you wanted to change your system some you could
do like the old pro stockers, they used a leaf and
a bar on top of the axle that acted like a four-link.
I'm sure someone has a pic of that set up

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: Sport440] #214841
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Air bags? like in big trucks , I was just getin lazy , it would be easy to fit something where the shocks mount thats not a coilover but could support the weight , I guess air bags will hold up the truck just havent seen it in racing.

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: Quicktree] #214842
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still no body has answered why you would want to set up a modern day race car like this





That car was built in 95, It is just simple, it works. The car would hook at test and tune like it would on raceday. When our competitors were changing 4-link bars, checking how far the zip tie moved up on compression and making shock ajustments we were setting in the trailer talking and having a good time. Low Mantinence! And I know when you get a 4 link car set-up you don't have to mess with it but you don't even have to go through getting it right.


One day I will have something cool here.
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still no body has answered why you would want to set up a modern day race car like this





That car was built in 95, It is just simple, it works. The car would hook at test and tune like it would on raceday. When our competitors were changing 4-link bars, checking how far the zip tie moved up on compression and making shock ajustments we were setting in the trailer talking and having a good time. Low Mantinence! And I know when you get a 4 link car set-up you don't have to mess with it but you don't even have to go through getting it right.




oh OK, good to know thats a better set up than a 4 link. heck I may change mine

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: dodgedude4x4] #214844
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Float the front of the ladder bars,
Done it before , works well.......




I seen a stock elim. car set up this way. The back was bolted on to the plate that holds the spring and the front was a pice of tubing that slid inside of anouther tube that was mounted to the front spring eye bolt by 2 clips welded to the outer tube. The stockers have to have a bolton suspention. This car ran 1.30 60s and 10.00 with this setup. On your truck I would think the spring was on tob of the rear, so you would have to find a way to mount it underneath. You might try a leaf link suspention with a bar going from the top of where the rear mounts to the spring to the front frame at the spring mount.
good luck and I did see where you are keeping the springs as per class rules


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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: wildcargo] #214845
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Hows this for leaf springs & ladder bars car runs 10.60 with a 1.36 60ft.

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Hows this for leaf springs & ladder bars car runs 10.60 with a 1.36 60ft.





Well, Thats a Great example as to how well leaf springs and ladders can hook.


A 1.36 60 ft. hook should be good for a 10.0 run.

That car is certainly Hooking but not Booking for its 60 ft, ET. Still, Overall not bad IMO. For its ET its a Hook monster, mike

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I don't see why a floater and a good set of adjustable rancho's wouldnt work great!

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ive got a 78 dodge 4x4 full size. using a ladder bar with a floater and drag shocks it works great in the drags and also in the pits. my bars mount at the center of weight on the truck. it is like the kit from jegs (not the CE kit) but adapted to go over the axle. we also have a truck with the CE kit. i think you can stay lower that way. a few other guys brag how they are running the ladder bar with no floater or slider.... but those trucks wheel-hop like crazy!!! also seen it done with the spring slider but the guy who built mine prefers the floater. i will try to get some pics. BTW your bars look a little short.

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ive got a 78 dodge 4x4 full size. using a ladder bar with a floater and drag shocks it works great in the drags and also in the pits. my bars mount at the center of weight on the truck. it is like the kit from jegs (not the CE kit) but adapted to go over the axle. we also have a truck with the CE kit. i think you can stay lower that way. a few other guys brag how they are running the ladder bar with no floater or slider.... but those trucks wheel-hop like crazy!!! also seen it done with the spring slider but the guy who built mine prefers the floater. i will try to get some pics. BTW your bars look a little short.


The bars are 33" we had long bars and had too much lift , I want to keep the front wheels in the mud , wheelies are fun but too hard to recover from if your not dead on, The CE sliders we have arent enough , I will check jeggs for the floater kit thanks

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wow!!! wheelies with dot tires??? what you runnin???

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wow!!! wheelies with dot tires??? what you runnin???


Its a 84 toyota pickup with a 414 W5 small block

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Wow, what timing. I love the old gassers and just finished building homemade ladder bars for my '63. More for looks than working at the track in my case. I'm sure it is all screwed up but that's because I built em. Mine are 60" long and will mount with a single heim joint under the rear end and another single heim joint under the subframe connectors. All the girder work is just to keep the one pipe from flexing, but more importantly to get the look right. Sure do keep learning a lot from all those who have been here before, thanks. Oh, my rear end housing is under the leaf spring on this car. Kinda like you truck guys. Now I just hope I don't tear stuff apart driving back and forth to work!!!

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Leaf springs with ladder bars and floaters can work well. Before re-backhalved my Duster, it was a leaf spring / ladder bar car. Best 60' was 1.35 but the normal was between 1.37 -1.40 depending on weather and track. Ran between 10.05 and 10.20. Won my fair share of races, so it does work. Take some time to get it set up right and test, test and test until you get it where you want. Good luck and have fun!


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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: brktracr] #214854
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Was thinking about this why do you nead the front half of the spring, just put the ladderbars in the front and a leaf from say the back half of the cal track single leaf spring and a watts link or a diagnal link.
So what you think


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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: wildcargo] #214855
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Was thinking about this why do you nead the front half of the spring, just put the ladderbars in the front and a leaf from say the back half of the cal track single leaf spring and a watts link or a diagnal link.
So what you think


We just put 2 leafs back in down from 4 & have around 2" of down travel now thats not too stiff, than it starts to bind and stiffen up , with the 4 leafs you could not move the back of the truck down at all, I am thinking of pulling the last spring and trying it with only the main spring ,gota check rules

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