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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars?
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Sure, there are guys that run this set up... but I have to ask.... why. To me its a redundancy thing. Lets break it down, the front segment of the spring does the same job as the ladder bar... it holds the axle in place and lifts the body but the spring has possible rap up where the bars dont. Next is the rear portion of the leaf spring... this is the part that allows the body to move up and down.... and hold the body up. This is the equivalent to the coil on the shock.... they are equal but the leaf weighs more. Shocks... they both do the same job but the coil over shock has a couple of alum parts to hold the spring Over all.... why run both it would be heavy.... JMO 
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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars?
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02/05/09 11:37 AM
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Heres the thing , If we go coil over I have to step up from super stock to pro stock , we tried heavy springs in front of axle with lighter springs aft of axle with sliders , bent the hell out of the springs so we went heavyer and truck wont stay on the ground,took out some spring & we added ladder bars and rear is too stiff , bars fighting leafs but best so far, the floaters look like they are made for spring under axle we are over axle? if we flip the floaters upside down we raise the rear up too high? trying to keep the weight as close to the ground as possible
are we talking drag racing or mud bogging?
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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars?
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once you put the ladder bars and floaters on the leaf springs merely hold the car up.this will work fine especially on the street.leaf springs alone can wrap up and cause wheel hop and other issues.some times slapper bars can help . with ladder bars the rearend wants travels in a different arch then when bolted solid to the leaf springs,thus the need for the floaters.they allow the rearend to move without binding. but leafsprings are heavy and do not allow the chassis tuning advantage of coil overs.coilovers also require some sort of track locater to control side to side movement which sometimes can cause street driving problems.not an issue on a drag only car i have done it both ways with no problems although i give the ladder bar/coilover set up the 
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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars?
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Heres the thing , If we go coil over I have to step up from super stock to pro stock , we tried heavy springs in front of axle with lighter springs aft of axle with sliders , bent the hell out of the springs so we went heavyer and truck wont stay on the ground,took out some spring & we added ladder bars and rear is too stiff , bars fighting leafs but best so far, the floaters look like they are made for spring under axle we are over axle? if we flip the floaters upside down we raise the rear up too high? trying to keep the weight as close to the ground as possible
are we talking drag racing or mud bogging?
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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars?
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are we talking drag racing or mud bogging?
i thoght we were talking street/strip here 
 I don't really know, I thought this was drag racing? then he showed a pic of a mud truck 
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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars?
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Heres the thing , If we go coil over I have to step up from super stock to pro stock , we tried heavy springs in front of axle with lighter springs aft of axle with sliders , bent the hell out of the springs so we went heavyer and truck wont stay on the ground,took out some spring & we added ladder bars and rear is too stiff , bars fighting leafs but best so far, the floaters look like they are made for spring under axle we are over axle? if we flip the floaters upside down we raise the rear up too high? trying to keep the weight as close to the ground as possible
are we talking drag racing or mud bogging?
Hey Quick thy aint slicks on back
I know thats what concerned me
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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars?
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Heres the thing , If we go coil over I have to step up from super stock to pro stock , we tried heavy springs in front of axle with lighter springs aft of axle with sliders , bent the hell out of the springs so we went heavyer and truck wont stay on the ground,took out some spring & we added ladder bars and rear is too stiff , bars fighting leafs but best so far, the floaters look like they are made for spring under axle we are over axle? if we flip the floaters upside down we raise the rear up too high? trying to keep the weight as close to the ground as possible
Looks like you will be making your own floaters. Or
if you can have the same IC of the front spring eye
and the front heim joint on the ladder bars(same
fore and aft and vertical height) you would have a
common IC and wouldnt be fighting each other
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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars?
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just saw the picture myself so disregard my input , please 
mine too, I have no freaking idea how it would work on a mud truck need to be a little more specific. we mostly talk drag racing here. I think
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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars?
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just saw the picture myself so disregard my input , please
mine too, I have no freaking idea how it would work on a mud truck need to be a little more specific. we mostly talk drag racing here. I think
Sorry for the confusion , you just gota look at at like drag racing with hidden speed bumps 
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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars?
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Heres the thing , If we go coil over I have to step up from super stock to pro stock , we tried heavy springs in front of axle with lighter springs aft of axle with sliders , bent the hell out of the springs so we went heavyer and truck wont stay on the ground,took out some spring & we added ladder bars and rear is too stiff , bars fighting leafs but best so far, the floaters look like they are made for spring under axle we are over axle? if we flip the floaters upside down we raise the rear up too high? trying to keep the weight as close to the ground as possible
Looks like you will be making your own floaters. Or
if you can have the same IC of the front spring eye
and the front heim joint on the ladder bars(same
fore and aft and vertical height) you would have a
common IC and wouldnt be fighting each other
are you saying to shorten the ladder bar to the same lenght as the leaf mounting point?
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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars?
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are you saying to shorten the ladder bar to the same lenght as the leaf mounting point?
Or lengthen the springs(if you can and be legal)
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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars?
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are you saying to shorten the ladder bar to the same lenght as the leaf mounting point?
Or lengthen the springs(if you can and be legal)
Now theres a thought, The springs can be any lenght as long as long as thier not coilover , if the front of the spring is the same lenght as the ladderbar even if they are different hights the arc should be the same?
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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars?
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Now theres a thought, The springs can be any lenght as long as long as thier not coilover , if the front of the spring is the same lenght as the ladderbar even if they are different hights the arc should be the same?
The issue of 2 IC points is they would fight each
other, the farther apart the greater the fight, try
to get the same IC points. Also does it really have
to be a spring, YEARS ago I clamped a steel bar to
my leaf spring to stiffen it up for traction, it worked
great, took out all of the flex in the front segment.
Like I said earlier the front just holds the rearend
in place and gives lift to the body..... can you
just put a steel bar in, in place of the spring,
clamped or welded to the rearend and a front eye
welded to the bar.... just thinking out loud
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or do you need coilovers?
