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Re: This 572 Predator engine Boatracer 572 built, is rocking
[Re: camastomcat]
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08/23/16 06:16 PM
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Glad to hear you're having a good time w/ it now! I know you've had some headaches lately w/ those Predator motors. Hope you keep getting faster!
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Re: This 572 Predator engine Boatracer 572 built, is rocking
[Re: camastomcat]
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08/23/16 07:05 PM
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I always knew they had the potential. The worst part is finding someone like Tony that had been running them successfully, as people like Indy were absolutely no help. And because Tony has been racing boats, it took me for ever to figure out the converter, gear, timing etc., that equates to the pavement. My 604 is ready now, and I will start next year with that. It made 1200HP, actually 1199.4.
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Re: This 572 Predator engine Boatracer 572 built, is rocking
[Re: camastomcat]
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08/25/16 12:46 PM
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Gear needs to be a tad more steep, at least with the 572, I don't know yet with the 604. So, from a 4.10 to a 4.30, I think it would help as they like higher RPM's. The timing is less, from 33-34 total, to 30-32 total. They like big carbs, 1250 and perhaps even bigger or 2. The converter should stall at least 6000, and 6200-6500 is even better.
The upside of these things are common intake/exhaust rockers, much higher flow, bigger cams are effective, they don't need as much compression but respond to more, and from what I hear they are very NOS friendly.
The downside is, don't try getting any info from Indy, they are more expensive than the B1 stuff, special headers, pistons, gaskets, etc.
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Re: This 572 Predator engine Boatracer 572 built, is rocking
[Re: camastomcat]
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08/25/16 01:38 PM
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Thanks for the replies guys. I guess there isn't much interest in the Predator stuff here. Oh trust me, I have lots of interest in the Predator stuff and if and when the time comes to buy better heads then what i have it will be Predator heads. My junk has been sidelined for many years because of having a very busy job and having two kids to raise. I look at it like this, buy the Predator heads right from the start. If i only want to run in the 9s, mild porting and mild camshaft. The day i want to step it up, there's lots of room for improvement. By the way, good luck with yours.
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Re: This 572 Predator engine Boatracer 572 built, is rocking
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08/25/16 02:02 PM
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First off congratulation on all the hard work and research on making these combos work. And you are right on the interest of MOST of our members. I follow these builds as I appreciate all the work and money involved in getting these combos to work even though at my age I will never own a set. Heck most of the guys kinda pass over even the B1 posts on here. You are even fighting a bigger up hill battle because you are racing a dragster. Most guys including myself are door car guys and when the dragsters come to the line we head to eat. Nothing personal but either you like them or you don't. I would quit racing if it came down to me having to own one even though they are " the best " bracket cars out there. I've seen guys that raced for 20 plus years and never win a race step into a dragster and go on a tear. Please keep up the good work and keep us in the loop.
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Re: This 572 Predator engine Boatracer 572 built, is rocking
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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08/25/16 02:13 PM
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First off congratulation on all the hard work and research on making these combos work. And you are right on the interest of MOST of our members. I follow these builds as I appreciate all the work and money involved in getting these combos to work even though at my age I will never own a set. Heck most of the guys kinda pass over even the B1 posts on here. You are even fighting a bigger up hill battle because you are racing a dragster. Most guys including myself are door car guys and when the dragsters come to the line we head to eat. Nothing personal but either you like them or you don't. I would quit racing if it came down to me having to own one even though they are " the best " bracket cars out there. I've seen guys that raced for 20 plus years and never win a race step into a dragster and go on a tear. Please keep up the good work and keep us in the loop. Yep, all good points on the dragster comments, and no arguments as to the appeal of watching them run. I will say, even though I have won more races with the dragster, it's not as easy as people think, but a definite advantage. I have spent a lot on research and development for Indy and ultimately Mopar, but Boatracer572 has the most helpful with advice and help. Glad to see some are interested.
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Re: This 572 Predator engine Boatracer 572 built, is rocking
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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08/25/16 02:19 PM
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First off congratulation on all the hard work and research on making these combos work. And you are right on the interest of MOST of our members. I follow these builds as I appreciate all the work and money involved in getting these combos to work even though at my age I will never own a set. Heck most of the guys kinda pass over even the B1 posts on here. You are even fighting a bigger up hill battle because you are racing a dragster. Most guys including myself are door car guys and when the dragsters come to the line we head to eat. Nothing personal but either you like them or you don't. I would quit racing if it came down to me having to own one even though they are " the best " bracket cars out there. I've seen guys that raced for 20 plus years and never win a race step into a dragster and go on a tear. Please keep up the good work and keep us in the loop. My thoughts exactly! I do like reading about the builds and combos. Good luck !  Mark
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Re: This 572 Predator engine Boatracer 572 built, is rocking
[Re: camastomcat]
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08/25/16 03:22 PM
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I have lots of interest in all the build posts too. Most of them are way out of my reach too.
I love reading them because it always amazes me how much I don't know.
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Re: This 572 Predator engine Boatracer 572 built, is rocking
[Re: camastomcat]
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08/25/16 08:19 PM
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Just one more thing before I head to the track, it may be a lawn dart but, it has a unique engine! Everyone but the one's who are Mopar people think it's a BB Chevy! Hey only a crazy person would put a Mopar in a dragster, right. Lol. I'm betting when they do find out that you just beat them with a mopar power plant there are some butt hurt feelings. Gotta love that
1970 Duster
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422 Indy headed small block
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Re: This 572 Predator engine Boatracer 572 built, is rocking
[Re: camastomcat]
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08/27/16 05:52 PM
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So the car is 2020#'s with the cast engine and 1870#'s with the aluminum 572 with one carb. Wow Tom... you're making us guys with 3000lbs turds, cry !!!
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Re: This 572 Predator engine Boatracer 572 built, is rocking
[Re: camastomcat]
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08/28/16 06:00 PM
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I always knew they had the potential. The worst part is finding someone like Tony that had been running them successfully, as people like Indy were absolutely no help. And because Tony has been racing boats, it took me for ever to figure out the converter, gear, timing etc., that equates to the pavement. My 604 is ready now, and I will start next year with that. It made 1200HP, actually 1199.4. Was Steve helpfull??
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Re: This 572 Predator engine Boatracer 572 built, is rocking
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08/29/16 10:58 PM
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Steve Gill? Why do you ask? I think Steve has been out of the loop for some time now. I only ask because my hemi went on the dyno right after yours.Steve saved my butt with headers and then the same carbs that were used for your dyno pulls.Steve helped me BIG time!!That was almost 6 years ago,,,,, Thanks again Steve,,,,,,Mr Predator 
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Re: This 572 Predator engine Boatracer 572 built, is rocking
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08/30/16 12:45 AM
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Steve Gill? Why do you ask? I think Steve has been out of the loop for some time now. I only ask because my hemi went on the dyno right after yours.Steve saved my butt with headers and then the same carbs that were used for your dyno pulls.Steve helped me BIG time!!That was almost 6 years ago,,,,, Thanks again Steve,,,,,,Mr Predator Let me make something clear. Steve was a stand up guy and went over and above to help me with parts when my engine blew up. I have no problem with Steve. Did that engine ever run up to the potential it was supposed to have, uh no. Actually my 572 runs as hard as that 604 did, maybe harder. But, it cost me a lot of money that took me years to recover from. I never heard a single word from anyone involved in that expensive build, but Steve. I was surprised at how good Steve was about it. The other guys, not so much and that's the nicest thing I can say about that. And thanks again Steve, if you come on here.
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Re: This 572 Predator engine Boatracer 572 built, is rocking
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08/30/16 10:35 AM
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OK, here is a couple time slips from the last couple of days. Nice reaction times. Getting a few more bugs worked out on are's last time out ran 6.95/7.11/7.15 Going out this weekend 496 Predator engine w/1 carb
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Re: This 572 Predator engine Boatracer 572 built, is rocking
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08/30/16 01:05 PM
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Yes, we are using a NX fogger with 500hp shot right off start.
trying new cam and carb this week end there is a
couple of videos under kucia racing on google
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Re: This 572 Predator engine Boatracer 572 built, is rocking
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09/01/16 02:36 AM
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Well I will say they are or seem to be somewhat nitrous friendly from what I have seen. Also they have some issue, biggest being the valve angle and of course lack of bore on a Mopar. You can make power with them. more than any other Mopar head for sure. But it comes at a cost for sure. Mine made decent power and once we get some stuff straightened out, cam, intake mainly wer feel there is another 70ish in it. But for now it is what we call a Beat deal...
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