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Stage 5 Hemi conversion heads? #2111179
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Just curious, is anyone running a set of these heads? Opinions? Looks like they take a lot of extra machine work. But I have a shot at a set pretty cheap. And thought this might be kind of cool to give a try?

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Re: Stage 5 Hemi conversion heads? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #2111217
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Call The Shop stage 5 hemi conversion. Jerry Heard. 412-521-2367. He should b able to answer any question u have.

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Very high quality heads.Call Stage V and ask who is best at doing the block work.
Cheers,Pat

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Lots of small issues. A big surprise is that the exhaust rocker ratio is short (about 1.4), so a custom cam should be considered to get a reasonable exhaust lift. Pushrod clearance is a pain, but that's not unusual for a HEMI.

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You do know in the Hi Po race world of racing and street machines is that you usally get what you pay for, correct work
Do you want a cheap motor or do you want a good motor built with cheap parts shruggy work
I use to try to build good motors with cheap parts, it didn't work down realcrazy


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Re: Stage 5 Hemi conversion heads? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #2111520
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I have no personal experience with them, but I have heard that off-the-shelf hemi headers will not fit with the wedge motor mounts. So you need a motor plate or custom headers.


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Stage V's are not cheap..but as the saying goes "you get what you pay for" I believe one of the main header manufacturers is making headers for the raised port Stage V's

One needs to keep in mind that when these heads were made original Hemi blocks were big money and hard to find. 440 blocks were cheap and plentiful.
The 440 block treatment consists of drilling and tapping for larger bolts/studs on the main and some on the deck.Clearance for pushrods and drilling out the pickup and some of the oil galleries.
Cheers,Pat

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OK, thanks guys. not for me then.

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I run the regular stage V heads, they make some great stuff. Motor plate and extra machine work would well be worth it. The exhaust ports are raised really helping the flow. TTI makes the headers, I run them on mine (until I make some zoomies) You will save lots of money for he machine work with being able to use a 440 block

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Originally Posted By 590 Challenger
I run the regular stage V heads, they make some great stuff. Motor plate and extra machine work would well be worth it. The exhaust ports are raised really helping the flow. TTI makes the headers, I run them on mine (until I make some zoomies) You will save lots of money for he machine work with being able to use a 440 block
but the flip side is he will have a basterd oddball two bolt main motor that will never be worth much. JMO.

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My engine builder has built them before...He can do the machine work, not sure the cost though...They make nice street engines if your not trying to rotate the earth.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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Originally Posted By Hot 340
but the flip side is he will have a basterd oddball two bolt main motor that will never be worth much. JMO.


Exactly. Those 440 block Hemi heads are around only because some people want the Hemi look without having to pay the Hemi price (not implying that OP is one of those people).

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Good points, the heads are good and capable of making more power than the blocks can handle unless you have an after market block kicking around the garage and want a Hemi. It would make a very cool street car motor

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Originally Posted By jughed
Originally Posted By Hot 340
but the flip side is he will have a basterd oddball two bolt main motor that will never be worth much. JMO.


Exactly. Those 440 block Hemi heads are around only because some people want the Hemi look without having to pay the Hemi price (not implying that OP is one of those people).


That is why they make girdles....


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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Originally Posted By Dragula
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Originally Posted By Hot 340
but the flip side is he will have a basterd oddball two bolt main motor that will never be worth much. JMO.


Exactly. Those 440 block Hemi heads are around only because some people want the Hemi look without having to pay the Hemi price (not implying that OP is one of those people).


That is why they make girdles....
The girdles do not increase the strength or thickness of the main webbing in any block work Know your parts limits and then choose them wisely uptwocents
How many racers and engine builders on here have put girdles on RB blocks and had them come back later with cracks in the main webbing running up into the cylinders work I've seen and heard of more than two shruggy


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When I was building engines I put girdles on any 700+ HP wedge using a stock block. Of course if we were shooting for that HP level I also filled the block. Never had one fail, yet I saw several similar engines without girdles that cracked. I think girdles help but sanity and reasonable expectations should prevail.

One other note: Girdle installation can cause other problems if the shims are not measured and set correctly.

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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
Originally Posted By Dragula
Originally Posted By jughed
Originally Posted By Hot 340
but the flip side is he will have a basterd oddball two bolt main motor that will never be worth much. JMO.


Exactly. Those 440 block Hemi heads are around only because some people want the Hemi look without having to pay the Hemi price (not implying that OP is one of those people).


That is why they make girdles....
The girdles do not increase the strength or thickness of the main webbing in any block work Know your parts limits and then choose them wisely uptwocents
How many racers and engine builders on here have put girdles on RB blocks and had them come back later with cracks in the main webbing running up into the cylinders work I've seen and heard of more than two shruggy


I am over 700hp on my stroked 440 and six seasons/years on it. No cracks yet. Lots of passes on it. We have a number of stroked wedges running on the street and strip, and the girdle is the only way to go for anything over 600hp that is going to be flogged on a drag strip. Keeps cap walk away and allows it to live.

If its a cushy street car making 700hp, I would still put one on, but some folks don't want them.

Here is my 6.19 pass from this weekend on my pump gas stroked 440!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_XTmRBuvWs


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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NOTHING completely STOPS the caps from bouncing on an RB Mopar.......Nothing. With the design of the block and clamping arrangement it CAN'T be stopped. All you can do is make the parts beefier to withstand it. Another thing you can't do in a stock block. Can't add material where it isn't

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I think Steve Magnante ran the conversion heads on his Dart. Read the article in an old Mopar Action Tech Edition.

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Wonder if someone watched the Jokers from here.Fat and Furious supposedly paid 25K for one of the built motors.If I was paying for a hemi in my car and for what they supposedly got paid it better be a Hemi.For less than that you could have got a real Hemi.Rocky


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