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Re: Time to change some rotating parts [Re: Clanton] #2074505
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I had a sit down with Vic Ellinger and ended up with just a full dish 16.69cc dish for 9/1cr,This es very close to there shelf 15cc dish but sized for a 4.351 bore[cleaned cylinders]3wks for delivery.1k$+ with pins,locks.


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Re: Time to change some rotating parts [Re: Clanton] #2074528
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The pins are S797 .225 or .250 thick.[I forget]


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Re: Time to change some rotating parts [Re: Clanton] #2074827
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Originally Posted By Clanton
I had a sit down with Vic Ellinger and ended up with just a full dish 16.69cc dish for 9/1cr,This es very close to there shelf 15cc dish but sized for a 4.351 bore[cleaned cylinders]3wks for delivery.1k$+ with pins,locks.


Can you share the Technical points of his/your decision from this sit down up ?

Re: Time to change some rotating parts [Re: Clanton] #2075044
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The .060 gasket and .015 below deck took any quench piston off the table and most of the other talk was on fuel wash and piston expansion.


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Re: Time to change some rotating parts [Re: Clanton] #2075055
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Re: Time to change some rotating parts [Re: Clanton] #2075158
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Here is my printed piston order form and it is far from what is linked in there site.


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Re: Time to change some rotating parts [Re: Clanton] #2075203
05/17/16 04:37 PM
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Hello There,

Mike and I had an enjoyable conversation about his car and his new build. I remember the car well over the years and it's neat to be able to help him on this new project.

The thing to keep in mind with this type of build is that you want soft, "dumbed down" chambers and pistons. Today's 18* BBC heads are available in NA and Nitrous versions because of what has been learned in the past 10 years at cylinder head companies. We have plenty of help with "swirl" with the blower on top of this type of engine. You don't want to have to "fight" nitrous or boost's extremely high cylinder pressures plus "quench" when it comes to this level of power. This car is also very heavy. You have to treat this like a tractor pull or top dragster type build. This will build heat in a hurry when the hammer is dropped.

Thick decks and skirts are key to keeping the ring grooves stable to allow the rings to do their job. If the part is flexing like a trampoline, then it doesn't matter if you have a set of $2800 P/S rings in the engine, it won't seal. Another key factor is pin strength, everyone likes to run their parts/components light, but if the pin flexes then that will cause the piston to flex as well. This leads to cracked pin bosses or decks, as well as pin galling.

The dish typically we like to start .250-.300 from the edge, this allows plenty of meat for the ring radial depths of the groove to have support. It also create stability in ring groove flatness and finish when they are cut. Tapered ring lands allow the piston to grow up top, as well as some tricks on camming and skirt profiles to prevent scuffing on the skirt.

Piston to wall clearance for forced induction can be as loose as .012, ring end gap as wide as .090-.100, and pin bore clearance set at .002-.0025", again you are compensating for the extremes when you are wide open. We go back and forth with guys wanting tighter piston to wall to prevent piston noise cold, yet want 2000hp to the flywheel. It's a trade off, just like the suspension for cruising vs. racing. Rarely is there a compromise.....

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Re: Time to change some rotating parts [Re: Discoquik] #2075331
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Originally Posted By Discoquik
Hello There,

Mike and I had an enjoyable conversation about his car and his new build. I remember the car well over the years and it's neat to be able to help him on this new project.

The thing to keep in mind with this type of build is that you want soft, "dumbed down" chambers and pistons. Today's 18* BBC heads are available in NA and Nitrous versions because of what has been learned in the past 10 years at cylinder head companies. We have plenty of help with "swirl" with the blower on top of this type of engine. You don't want to have to "fight" nitrous or boost's extremely high cylinder pressures plus "quench" when it comes to this level of power. This car is also very heavy. You have to treat this like a tractor pull or top dragster type build. This will build heat in a hurry when the hammer is dropped.

Thick decks and skirts are key to keeping the ring grooves stable to allow the rings to do their job. If the part is flexing like a trampoline, then it doesn't matter if you have a set of $2800 P/S rings in the engine, it won't seal. Another key factor is pin strength, everyone likes to run their parts/components light, but if the pin flexes then that will cause the piston to flex as well. This leads to cracked pin bosses or decks, as well as pin galling.

The dish typically we like to start .250-.300 from the edge, this allows plenty of meat for the ring radial depths of the groove to have support. It also create stability in ring groove flatness and finish when they are cut. Tapered ring lands allow the piston to grow up top, as well as some tricks on camming and skirt profiles to prevent scuffing on the skirt.

Piston to wall clearance for forced induction can be as loose as .012, ring end gap as wide as .090-.100, and pin bore clearance set at .002-.0025", again you are compensating for the extremes when you are wide open. We go back and forth with guys wanting tighter piston to wall to prevent piston noise cold, yet want 2000hp to the flywheel. It's a trade off, just like the suspension for cruising vs. racing. Rarely is there a compromise.....
Wow Vic thanks for stopping in!I appreciate the info.


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Re: Time to change some rotating parts [Re: Clanton] #2075774
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Any more questions?Not even a thank you for his info from you!

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Re: Time to change some rotating parts [Re: Clanton] #2075866
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No problem Bud, glad we can help!

Re: Time to change some rotating parts [Re: Clanton] #2075962
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Yes thank you vic i cut and pasted this info in my nootpad for future reference. Also thanks Clanton for the yellowbullet link as that opened my eyes and im glad i havent bought headgaskets for my boosted build. up


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Re: Time to change some rotating parts [Re: Clanton] #2091881
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I got my pistons today so I can get things balanced,installed.


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Re: Time to change some rotating parts [Re: Clanton] #2091884
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Sweet keep us posted...... I final got off my dead a@$ and started putting some work in the garage. drive


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Re: Time to change some rotating parts [Re: Clanton] #2091888
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Um that is the same pic you posted 4 wks ago.;)


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Re: Time to change some rotating parts [Re: Clanton] #2091904
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While I was waiting for pistons I got the trans refreshed.


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Re: Time to change some rotating parts [Re: Clanton] #2091964
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I believe your mistaken the pic in my signature was just taking last friday
In the last month
1.got the turbos mounted and started to plump them in
2.got the powerglide installed
3.finished gasket matching my indy intake
4.motor plate brackets welded in
5.got the block to the machine shop for final hone

This is me getting off my dead a@$ all while sweating my balls off 60 hours week in a steel mill


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Re: Time to change some rotating parts [Re: turbo toad] #2091977
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Originally Posted By turbo toad
I believe your mistaken the pic in my signature was just taking last friday
In the last month
1.got the turbos mounted and started to plump them in
2.got the powerglide installed
3.finished gasket matching my indy intake
4.motor plate brackets welded in
5.got the block to the machine shop for final hone

This is me getting off my dead a@$ all while sweating my balls off 60 hours week in a steel mill
We all have our own limitations so Great job.
Thanks Vic Ellinger and John Cope for getting things done for me!!


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Re: Time to change some rotating parts [Re: Clanton] #2092265
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Love the sharp edges on the domes...


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Originally Posted By polyspheric
Love the sharp edges on the domes...

Nothing is sharp so IDK what you are looking at.


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Here is my install tool that works awesome giving me the most room to push the piston in with the rings closed all the way.


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