Re: Trans seal goes which way?
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03/30/16 01:27 AM
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The first way. Top picture. Thanks. I thought so. No wonder it was leaking...
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Re: Trans seal goes which way?
[Re: Pacnorthcuda]
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03/30/16 06:26 PM
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Top pic is correct by design but I've taken apart hundreds of virgin TF's and have never seen it installed that way.
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Re: Trans seal goes which way?
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03/31/16 02:21 PM
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Top pic is correct by design but I've taken apart hundreds of virgin TF's and have never seen it installed that way.
Agreed, done a bunch or rear wheel drive trans,, and never seen it like the 1st pic once. I always install them like the 2nd pic. Knock on wood,,no leaks yet
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Re: Trans seal goes which way?
[Re: moparx]
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04/01/16 05:51 PM
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i've always installed 'em as the top pic shows, as this was the way the originals were installed I would take exception to that; as I stated earlier, I've disassembled a myriad of factory original TF's and the seal was always installed as in pic #2. I realize this is counter to accepted practice in the seal industry but go argue with Kokomo.
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Re: Trans seal goes which way?
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04/01/16 06:00 PM
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John from now on should I do em like top pic or bottom pic?
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Re: Trans seal goes which way?
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Suit yourself; the bottom pic way is easier since the seal lip goes over the snap ring groove easier.
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Re: Trans seal goes which way?
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installing it the bottom way just shows you don't understand how a seal works, or are lazy, which wouldn't surprise me that an assembly line worker too the lazy way out. You want to install a seal so that any pressure on it from the inside will force the seal tighter into the shaft, not flex out of the way and let the pressure escape, that's what the vent is for. http://www.skf.com/caribbean/products/se...ions/index.html
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Re: Trans seal goes which way?
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04/02/16 11:03 AM
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i've always installed 'em as the top pic shows, as this was the way the originals were installed I would take exception to that; as I stated earlier, I've disassembled a myriad of factory original TF's and the seal was always installed as in pic #2. I realize this is counter to accepted practice in the seal industry but go argue with Kokomo. john, i should have stated all the ones i have replaced "were installed as the way they were removed from any of the valve bodies i have worked on", then added, "i have only done maybe around 50-75 valve bodies". you are WAY MORE EXPERIANCED than i, so i take your word as the "GOSPEL" ! however, in the monroe book, page #170 [instructions on installing a TF-2 kit] , the 2nd picture at the top shows the seal installed as per the first pic in this thread. so now, . i guess maybe it really doesn't matter ? i have not had any leakers doing it the the wrong way so ??
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Re: Trans seal goes which way?
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04/02/16 11:17 AM
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Wow, good info. Not sure why you need a special tool to install it though. That seems like complete overkill. You use the tool to install it per the top pic and get it past the snap ring groove without damaging the seal. See the SKF link I posted
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Re: Trans seal goes which way?
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04/04/16 10:11 AM
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i've always installed 'em as the top pic shows, as this was the way the originals were installed I would take exception to that; as I stated earlier, I've disassembled a myriad of factory original TF's and the seal was always installed as in pic #2. I realize this is counter to accepted practice in the seal industry but go argue with Kokomo. john, i should have stated all the ones i have replaced "were installed as the way they were removed from any of the valve bodies i have worked on", then added, "i have only done maybe around 50-75 valve bodies". you are WAY MORE EXPERIANCED than i, so i take your word as the "GOSPEL" ! however, in the monroe book, page #170 [instructions on installing a TF-2 kit] , the 2nd picture at the top shows the seal installed as per the first pic in this thread. so now, . i guess maybe it really doesn't matter ? i have not had any leakers doing it the the wrong way so ?? ATTENTION ! guys, i owe mr. kunkel a HUGE APOLOGY ! i re-looked again at the pics, and ALL of the valve bodies i have worked on over the years have had the seal installed WITH THE RECESS ON THE TOP, as the SECOND pic shows, just like the pic in the MONROE book. i stated the OPPOSITE installation, as the first pic, but in reality, i MEANT JUST THE OPPOSITE ! i APOLOGIZE to john and any other member for my confusing statement ! any and all beatings i recieve are well deserved !
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