do you have before and after pics of the box shimmed?

Do you have a bottom shot in wide angle to see all the linkage from end to end?

A shot of the coupler from the top, close up?

Are the latest style boxes going to be all new castings/forgings or rebuilt units as well? Anything that saves space is a win. Hopefully Borgeson can get these issues sorted out.

The new boxes are all new and smaller. However, due to the new box being slightly narrower between the pitman and input shafts, there will be some angle built in. The factory coupler will be able to take up the angle without issue.

What headers are those? There is no way my Doug's will fit with the steering angle crowding them...

The factory coupler isn't really there for that. It's there to account for chassis flex in the system not poor engineering.

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I wouldn't call is "poor engineering".

If what you are saying is true, the shaft would not have any ability to rotate in the coupler, it would be a solid sliding part. I agree the factory installations all appear straight, but I bet they are not if they were measured accurately.
The fact of the matter is the new box is narrower between the shafts center to center than the OE box.
The way I see it you have a couple choices. Stay in the dark ages being the only make with 60 year old steering, use the new box and get over that visual part of the angle that doesn't present any operational malfunction or design, market and engineering something better.
I'm all ears!

If you've ever worked with the coupler, it CAN rotate in all directions. The factory ratio is 16:1 btw. The valving on the Delphi box is light years ahead of the oe box. Don't knock it until you've tried it, and get your facts straight before spouting off from behind your keyboard.
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. I'm very easy to get a hold of for intelligent conversation. For some reason, when it comes to this board people loose their manners.

I thought the factory ratio was 15.7 ?
I agree that there are some real [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] members here. They'd complain about being hung with a new rope. THEY often excuse their complaints by saying that the parts will never improve if we just accept inferior designs. This is true to some extent but you can find fault in almost any design if you are "that" type of person.
This steering box may be great but the cost keeps me out of it.
The 4 speed auto from the company that bought out Kiesler sounds great too. again, $5000-$6500 is far out of reach.
I'll never buy any one of those coli over front end sets for my classics, but that is because I disagree with their design.

It has already been determined that the steering box needs to be shimmed in order to align its centerline with the centerline of the steering column. If the ctr line is skewed it's geometric effect is seen in the ctr to ctr distance betw the right and left side tire rods.

It is incorrect to install this steering box without aligning the box to the steering culoumn and maybe then the tie rods will set up properly side to side. It is bad advice to tell some one it's ok to install the box crooked and there is no need to shim for proper alignment and that its perfectly ok for the coupling to be misaligned with the box. Wow. Then there are the smart people figuring out what the problems are and the solution gets ignored.

So where is the shim plate to properly support the product? The box needs a solid platform to mount to.

Take a look at my posted photos that was taken from underneath the steering box. You can see the shim that I made out of 1 inch wide by 1/8th inch steel stock.

In the photo you can see the shiny steel shim between the black paint of the K member and the steering box.

The post photo is several postings above this one,,,also read the associated text. You can also use Williams washers as Hotchkis had recommended.

If you do not shim you will have toe alignment issues, box will not be on top crnter and shaft will be at an angle into coupler,,,which is the least concern. The angle just illustrates that you likely have a problem.

I post the photo again.

Why cant they just weld the fuggin ears on right? They have perfected welding them on 12 degrees frickin off! Do they live in a cave with a company wide ban on photographs?

Bump to the top!!!

Add me to the list of folks who can't get the box centered. This is one of the new "Smaller" boxes.

I have it installed on a QA1 K. I had to add a washer on the outboard mounting bolt to get the box to even be close to engaging the coupler from Bergman.

Now it's all in, and it has a nasty angle from the steering shaft to the box. Not a big deal...

However!

I also now have the tie rods that can't be adjusted into spec. The passenger side is bottomed out of adjustment and can't get to spec. The wheel is still toed in. The drivers side is adjusted way out, and can get to spec, but the length difference between each tie rod is almost 2"!!

To correct this issue, I would need to shim the double bolt side of the box. This would put the input as such an extreme angle that the Bergman coupler would have to have the dust shield/gasket removed to even engage the splines in the box.

I am thinking my only option is to remove the pitman, grind out the four master splines, and install the pitman one spline out of phase.

It is a dang small box though!

I have to agree with you Tom I have driven with the Firm feel boxes and I am not impressed. The set up in the Valiant with the new box and the cooler is great and there is plenty of space around the box.