Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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Turquoise but good luck finding the exact color! This was Mopar brand paint
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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"Blue" 707 SPD 50k miles last registered in 1972 LM23P9B 69 340's were turquoise, same a 383 2-bbl engines. There have been a few that were said to be blue or orange but they were also VERY late build such as the one you show. I still have seen NO color pictures from the day the late cars were built to change my mind. I am also assuming that the one you show was built at the LA plant, correct? I have plenty of pictures of survivor Hamtramck built 69 340s that were ALL turquoise.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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Jason, I'm assuming you are tearing it down? Check for dated bearings or other signs of it ever being rebuilt. All bearings were 69's and STD size... its is numbers matching engine and transmission.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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FWIW, Galen's book says blue.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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Well the weird part is that orange was phased in for 1970 (and at the same engine plant) so why switch from turquoise to blue at the end of production? Maybe they ran short on turquoise towards the end and used blue that was on hand (for 318's etc.) In the interum before the orange showed up later on? What color were Marine 340's? Were Marine 340's built at the Windsor plant?
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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Windsor Ontario plant, assembled Jul 02, 1970. 2896 is July 2, 1969 for the '70 model year.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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It is the original engine and not one shred of evidence that it was ever turquoise. I'm going to paint it blue. ok, fine with me
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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There is always the "never say never" with any Chrysler product, but once again a very late built car. I have seen a 69 Swinger 340 with bucket seats, fender turn signals, and rocker moldings that was a July built car and those options were not available on Swinger 340's. Could a few examples have been painted blue because turquoise was being phased out? Probably, but the vast MAJORITY were painted turquoise and Chrysler documentation still TRUMPS a few examples found in the wild... Can anyone find any TSB's that show a late-year switch to blue? I certainly haven't.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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The great debate, I'm for whatever came off that line, no matter what the mess up, instead of making it like "99%" of the others. If someone is born with six toes do we wack it off just because the rest of us have five? Or do you think these oddball cars will upstage the more "normal" cars value like a miss-stamped coin? People go to all the trouble to apply paint dab marks, runs, overspray from what came off the line, I see no difference with the paint on this engine.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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That's my car....that's 100% original paint on the engine.....the negative cables WERE installed on the engine when painted....as evidenced by the lack of paint on the valve cover where the cable layed accross. That is an Oregon car....for some reason every car I have ever bought that was from there are super clean and rust free.......you should see the bottom of this thing. Scott - yes lot's of cleaning and degreasing etc - but the car is a gem. Concerning the blue engine.....It is a late build if that has any bearing....June 25th. I remember the orange motored Dart that went through OE a few years back.....I still am unconvinced about that one. Cheers Jim B.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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Agreed Jim, very nice car and an obvious survivor with some great details. As far as the battery cable specifically, yes, I have seen that on 69's, but it varied through the 340 production years. For example, every original (orange motor) 71 I've seen, the neg cable was added after paint. BTW, I'm also undecided, doubtful of the orange motor 70 simply because the full history of the car is unknown.
In summary, 340 engine details changed A LOT from 68-73. IMO there's still more to be discovered on them, survivors are few and far between but I still learn more with every one I see.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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That's my car....that's 100% original paint on the engine.....the negative cables WERE installed on the engine when painted....as evidenced by the lack of paint on the valve cover where the cable layed accross. That is an Oregon car....for some reason every car I have ever bought that was from there are super clean and rust free.......you should see the bottom of this thing. Scott - yes lot's of cleaning and degreasing etc - but the car is a gem. Concerning the blue engine.....It is a late build if that has any bearing....June 25th. I remember the orange motored Dart that went through OE a few years back.....I still am unconvinced about that one. Cheers Jim B. On the bat cable I meant it would not be painted again even if the engine was removed, rebuilt and repainted
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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My 69 340 swinger is about 9000 serial numbers later than MaxwellWedge, and the motor was for sure blue. Even though the engine had been pulled and modified, I bought the original valve covers, oil pan, intake, manifolds, etc... 15 years before hand...and all were blue, rather than the lighter turquise. Looking at the build sheet, is the 709 the build date. Order number 176545.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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I don't know if Frank makes a standard blue but if he does it's probably right on the money. In your case you might consider going to the paint store with an original sample for a color match, get it mixed in single stage PPG Delstar DAR Acrylic Enamel.
*The only 69 carb I have is a 4611SA D9 Frank doesn't have the blue unfortunately.....he does have the turquoise....so It's looking like SPD's may possibly be the determining factor on color. My buddy picked up an early 69 Swinger 340 and according to Moparo.....who is doing the car for him.....he has found a lot of traces of turquoise on that engine. That engine plant did not do Hemi's or BB's.....so there would be no need for them to have any orange paint around.....in 69 anyway.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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If you can document or have significant/sufficeint evidence for an oddity then go with it, if no information exist to support your claim on the subject car then go with the documented norm. I think there is sufficent evidence to say this car came out of the box blue.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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There is always the "never say never" with any Chrysler product, but once again a very late built car. I have seen a 69 Swinger 340 with bucket seats, fender turn signals, and rocker moldings that was a July built car and those options were not available on Swinger 340's. Could a few examples have been painted blue because turquoise was being phased out? Probably, but the vast MAJORITY were painted turquoise and Chrysler documentation still TRUMPS a few examples found in the wild... Can anyone find any TSB's that show a late-year switch to blue? I certainly haven't. Rocker mouldings and turn indicators were available on 340 69 Swingers. My own 69 was a dealer demonstrator, highly optioned car and had both of those options. Original paint car with Build sheet What is the SPD? You would have to have A01 light package for the indicators, what does the broadcast sheet say for those parts?
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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Jim, The SPD is 7/28. Quite possibly the first 340 built for 69. The car has a very low VIN.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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Then you're saying put them back like all the production cars??
Not at all! I'm saying to document and replace as much originality as possible as to how the car was actually built.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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Then you're saying put them back like all the production cars??
Not at all! I'm saying to document and replace as much originality as possible as to how the car was actually built. Ok, then I agree on that. I like the odd balls, gives them character.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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but the vast MAJORITY were painted turquoise and Chrysler documentation still TRUMPS a few examples found in the wild... How so? When the evidence is staring right at you.. Blue.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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I still have never seen a TSB with the color BLUE for a Dodge 340 and TURQUOISE for a Plymouth 340, but Galen says it in his White books so it must be so... I have seen a lot of restored Darts with BLUE painted engines lately, so in a few years it will be gospel. I really would like to see a TSB from LA built Darts.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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Turquoise would be the correct choice.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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Well, obviously, reading comprehension is not your strong point.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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Whatever color the engine was painted when the car rolled off the assembly line is the correct choice period. End of discussion. Where is the beating the dead horse icon when you need it. Good, now we have someone that was there when they were built, I got some more questions for you...
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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Whatever color the engine was painted when the car rolled off the assembly line is the correct choice period. End of discussion. Where is the beating the dead horse icon when you need it. Good, now we have someone that was there when they were built, I got some more questions for you... Funny I was thinking the same, I wanted to go back in your time machine and get some parts at the dealer for my 69 Barracuda. So every engine has to be turquoise because some paper says so, like everybody followed that to the letter. Since we are talking about assembly line "workers" who couldn't or wouldn't make a mistake like that. Pop worked for Fisher-Body and said they had a big lot outside for all the screw ups.
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Yep, I have a few freinds who worked at the Belvidere Assembly Plant back in the day making C-Body's. One out of every four went back to the repair shop. They drank lots of beer and smoked weed at lunch and pu their own codes on fender tags. Most assembly plants had a couple barrels of paint, rarely did they run out to the hardware store to get some that was close when they ran out... I tend to believe the pieces of paper called TSB's, not some anecdotes from a few people who did not buy the cars new, and even if they did they can be wrong after all these years. (see a certain 69 Dart Swinger that was restored with an orange engine)...
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Yep, I have a few freinds who worked at the Belvidere Assembly Plant back in the day making C-Body's. One out of every four went back to the repair shop. They drank lots of beer and smoked weed at lunch and pu their own codes on fender tags. Most assembly plants had a couple barrels of paint, rarely did they run out to the hardware store to get some that was close when they ran out... I tend to believe the pieces of paper called TSB's, not some anecdotes from a few people who did not buy the cars new, and even if they did they can be wrong after all these years. (see a certain 69 Dart Swinger that was restored with an orange engine)... That's the point, it's not a question of what you or I believe, it's who ever owns the car, his choice with the clues he has about said engine. We can b&m all day but it won't change a thing.
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but the thing is .....
1969 340s were assembled & painted at the WINDSOR engine assembly plant - they had NO need for orange paint (the ORANGE engines * 383HP & 440HP * were built at Trenton & * HEMI * at Marysville)
Chrysler Blue engine paint was NEW for 1970 on low performance 318/383-2bbl/non-HP c-body 440s
there is NO good reason for a Chrysler Blue '69 340 to exist that one would want to copy in a restoration (mistake/repair/other/??) It will go down as one of the great mysterys of our lifetime. Civilizations will rise and fall over this journey into the unknown. Any who paint their engine blue will be ridiculed and banished to the X brands for life.
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BTW, its EW340P26690176
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The engine is now in a Charger. Someone hand painted the top of the engine red, but the bottom is all still original blue. I've scraped paint off down to bare metal, it's blue.
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Can you post a pic of the assembly stamping on the face of the block (drivers side) Sure.
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Yeah I know. I posted that info further up the page
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Who knew the factory had guys punching out engines on Sundays?
The blue may be a Sunday thing...it's a mystery, to be sure.
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Maybe they forgot to "stir" the paint before they used it..8*)
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Originally Posted By Rhinodart Does this Swinger look to have a blue engine? scope Of course I don't know if it is original. http://www.siriuscad.com/dart/dart/Picture_Gallery.html#12Can't say I have seen one without rear arm rests! shock Looks like the throttle spring is painted too, where they? Mine is not, could be a paint over years ago. I have the cheapo 70 Duster with no rear armrest if that means anything. That engine paint isn't virgin, there is blue paint on the PCV hose, plug wires, etc. I'd bet they repainted it years ago and that shade of blue was the only one available in rattle cans.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
[Re: Rhinodart]
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08/06/16 12:10 AM
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My 69 Swinger with low grade interior.
1969 340 4 Speed Swinger R4, black vinyl, white butt stripe, 3:91
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
[Re: JRepucci]
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08/11/16 09:03 PM
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Is anyone documenting the SPD's to narrow down when engines went from turquoise to blue? This gold GTS is blue, this swinger 340 is turquoise (though it appears the motor may have been apart). I have a 69 340 that I haven't verified what it came out of (dart/Cuda) and its obviously a turquoise motor. How ever, the 340 swinger I currently have is a late build and I want to paint the original color. Unfortunately the previous owner blasted everything and no original color was left, then he painted it orange...then black. SPD is 709. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Dart-/162162073503?forcerrptr=true&hash=item25c19cdf9f:g:wmUAAOSwU-pXp9Ao&item=162162073503 http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/thre...atching.355933/
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
[Re: JRepucci]
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08/20/16 01:17 AM
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Mine's turquoise with pink spots. SPD 11/8/68. This is driver side behind the heat shield.
The paint is original factory. Maybe the exhaust manifold cooked the paint to pink in the center, which would be medium, steak-wise.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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09/14/16 10:16 AM
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Kent,
Many head and block castings (all engines) had splotches of paint on them prior to the engine paint being added, probably denoting some type of machining process or QC inspection process. This is an original paint engine, that pink paint under the orange is the same type as your engine has. Cool. BTW, this is how I cleaned up the heads in my kitchen: After scraping off the thick crud with ice cream sticks, I applied a few coats of cooking oil with a tooth brush and wiped off. The cooking oil works pretty good.
If you don't see two dolphins, you need a vacation.
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