Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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That's my car....that's 100% original paint on the engine.....the negative cables WERE installed on the engine when painted....as evidenced by the lack of paint on the valve cover where the cable layed accross. That is an Oregon car....for some reason every car I have ever bought that was from there are super clean and rust free.......you should see the bottom of this thing. Scott - yes lot's of cleaning and degreasing etc - but the car is a gem. Concerning the blue engine.....It is a late build if that has any bearing....June 25th. I remember the orange motored Dart that went through OE a few years back.....I still am unconvinced about that one. Cheers Jim B.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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Agreed Jim, very nice car and an obvious survivor with some great details. As far as the battery cable specifically, yes, I have seen that on 69's, but it varied through the 340 production years. For example, every original (orange motor) 71 I've seen, the neg cable was added after paint. BTW, I'm also undecided, doubtful of the orange motor 70 simply because the full history of the car is unknown.
In summary, 340 engine details changed A LOT from 68-73. IMO there's still more to be discovered on them, survivors are few and far between but I still learn more with every one I see.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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That's my car....that's 100% original paint on the engine.....the negative cables WERE installed on the engine when painted....as evidenced by the lack of paint on the valve cover where the cable layed accross. That is an Oregon car....for some reason every car I have ever bought that was from there are super clean and rust free.......you should see the bottom of this thing. Scott - yes lot's of cleaning and degreasing etc - but the car is a gem. Concerning the blue engine.....It is a late build if that has any bearing....June 25th. I remember the orange motored Dart that went through OE a few years back.....I still am unconvinced about that one. Cheers Jim B. On the bat cable I meant it would not be painted again even if the engine was removed, rebuilt and repainted
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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My 69 340 swinger is about 9000 serial numbers later than MaxwellWedge, and the motor was for sure blue. Even though the engine had been pulled and modified, I bought the original valve covers, oil pan, intake, manifolds, etc... 15 years before hand...and all were blue, rather than the lighter turquise. Looking at the build sheet, is the 709 the build date. Order number 176545.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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I don't know if Frank makes a standard blue but if he does it's probably right on the money. In your case you might consider going to the paint store with an original sample for a color match, get it mixed in single stage PPG Delstar DAR Acrylic Enamel.
*The only 69 carb I have is a 4611SA D9 Frank doesn't have the blue unfortunately.....he does have the turquoise....so It's looking like SPD's may possibly be the determining factor on color. My buddy picked up an early 69 Swinger 340 and according to Moparo.....who is doing the car for him.....he has found a lot of traces of turquoise on that engine. That engine plant did not do Hemi's or BB's.....so there would be no need for them to have any orange paint around.....in 69 anyway.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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If you can document or have significant/sufficeint evidence for an oddity then go with it, if no information exist to support your claim on the subject car then go with the documented norm. I think there is sufficent evidence to say this car came out of the box blue.
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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There is always the "never say never" with any Chrysler product, but once again a very late built car. I have seen a 69 Swinger 340 with bucket seats, fender turn signals, and rocker moldings that was a July built car and those options were not available on Swinger 340's. Could a few examples have been painted blue because turquoise was being phased out? Probably, but the vast MAJORITY were painted turquoise and Chrysler documentation still TRUMPS a few examples found in the wild... Can anyone find any TSB's that show a late-year switch to blue? I certainly haven't. Rocker mouldings and turn indicators were available on 340 69 Swingers. My own 69 was a dealer demonstrator, highly optioned car and had both of those options. Original paint car with Build sheet What is the SPD? You would have to have A01 light package for the indicators, what does the broadcast sheet say for those parts?
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Re: 1969 340... Blue or Turquoise?
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Jim, The SPD is 7/28. Quite possibly the first 340 built for 69. The car has a very low VIN.
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