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T&D Rocker Arm question #2012270
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I'm in need if a rocker arm upgrade on my -1's & was considering T&D's, I think i read somewhere that they take Ball n Ball pushrods? Is this correct? Are they available Ball n Cup? I have multiple sets of different length ball n cup pushrods, i don't want to start a new collection of ball n ball ones as well.

Re: T&D Rocker Arm question [Re: rebel] #2012281
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My paired T&D are ball/ball. Call and see if they have options. Nice stuff for sure.
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T&D makes both rockers with one shaft per head using ball-cup pushrods, and the one shaft per cylinder, paired, rockers which use ball-ball pushrods and push rod fed oiling.


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They can do them either way. It's simply an adjuster change

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All of the TD rockers I have owned(multiple
type, BB and SB, both single shaft and multi
shaft) have all been ball and ball type.. I
myself have never seen a ball and cup style
one
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Re: T&D Rocker Arm question [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2012447
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I believe that the cup style adjuster is standard for T@D, I had called them last Friday about the single shaft system and was told they will oil both ways (shaft or pushrod) but I didn't think to ask about the ball style adjusters for shaft oiling, a quick call to Sheldon would confirm this, altho looking on their web site they don't show any ball style adjusters in their parts listing.


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Originally Posted By dartman366
I believe that the cup style adjuster is standard for T@D, I had called them last Friday about the single shaft system and was told they will oil both ways (shaft or pushrod) but I didn't think to ask about the ball style adjusters for shaft oiling, a quick call to Sheldon would confirm this, altho looking on their web site they don't show any ball style adjusters in their parts listing.


On my SB stuff I have oiled both ways.. PR and
shaft.. both on single shaft type
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Re: T&D Rocker Arm question [Re: rebel] #2012487
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Cup ends are very common these days on big inch motors with tree trunk sized pushrods, big lift and big ratio. Basically an insert pressed into the end of the tubing. Similar to what everyone thinks they look like, but the cup is not bigger than tubing, as in the past. This is similar to what we run in our 762. It's a .281 cup

But to answer Rebel's question.......if you want T&Ds with standard 5/16 ball ends to use your existing pushrods, they will gladly sell them to you that way. Some need to get past what is shown in a catalog, or they SEE online. Pick up the phone. Most of these companies can do anything you want them to do and you won't be the first to have asked

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Re: T&D Rocker Arm question [Re: Monte_Smith] #2012502
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Those look pretty nice, guess I will do some investigating as the Harlan Sharp rockers come standard with ball style adjusters. work


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Re: T&D Rocker Arm question [Re: Monte_Smith] #2012544
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Originally Posted By Monte_Smith
They can do them either way. It's simply an adjuster change


do you know if there is a part # for ball n cup style in the 1.6 ratio single shaft?

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Call them...........

Re: T&D Rocker Arm question [Re: rebel] #2012667
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3/4" pushrods... daaaang!


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Originally Posted By TRENDZ
3/4" pushrods... daaaang!

When your pushing north of 11,500 RPM with a BA blown alky hemiroid motor with north of 1200 lbs open pressures you need all the stabilty in the valve train you can get work shruggy I think the NASCAR cup guys might be using them also confused

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Valve train deflection KILLS parts and power.

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And your wallet thickness.

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Originally Posted By Rob C
And your wallet thickness.

It comes to a time, sometimes, that you pay once or more than once trying to save money, especially on race parts work
I've seen 8 HP gain and a 300 RPM increase on peak HP on changing the brand and wall thickness of pushrods on a relative cheap street solid roller cam pump gas motor work shruggy


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Re: T&D Rocker Arm question [Re: Monte_Smith] #2012942
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Originally Posted By Monte_Smith
Call them...........


i've e-mailed them but they must have broken their keyboard finger. i'm down under & to some US citizens, my accent is a little too broad for them to understand what i'm asking for, either that or i'm dealing with an idiot.

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I deal with guys from New Zealand all the time and was just down there for 15 days. Accent is no problem. Pick up the phone. And the time diff is 20 hours, so not like you have to do it in the middle of the night either.

How hard can it be.....I want a set of big block Mopar rockers and I want to use my existing 5/16 cup end push rods. Send them to me.

If you are serious you call.......if you are kicking tires, you email and then complain if they don't answer fast enough to suit you. If calling is just not your thing. Have Mark Hayes at Rocket do it for you.

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well i rang them, after repeating what i wanted a few times, it appears that they only come set up for ball n ball pushrods. So i guess this only leaves H&S rockers as my only choice. Anyone got a Summit code they dont need?

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So what is wrong with buying ball cup adjusters, they don't cost that much.


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Hmmm........We have T&D rockers and we have the pushrods I showed above.

Buy the adjusters from someone else if you have to

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Re: T&D Rocker Arm question [Re: rebel] #2014766
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I think i'll buy H&S. by the time i add spares to the mix & add the price of new adjusters, convert the currency to our $ plus freight, we're going to be spending over $2k of our money. H&S will be more ecconomical with a Summit Code i was PM'd.

Re: T&D Rocker Arm question [Re: rebel] #2014893
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Originally Posted By rebel
well i rang them, after repeating what i wanted a few times...

Let me guess:
Rebel: G'die, mite. Ahm intrested in rockahs for me Indy fofoty-dash-wun eds. Ah need um to ahv bol-ind ahjustuhs so Ah cahn uz me bol-n-cup pushrahds sted of bahin new uns.
T&D: Uh... can you repeat that?
Rebel: Dahmit, mite! Didn't yah evah see Crocudile Dundee???

Hey, could have been worse... T&D could be in Georgia (where my Mom's family came from and where 3 of my 4 step-brothers still live). The conversation might have gone more like this:
Rebel: G'die, mite. Ahm intrested in...
T&D: Haaayyy! Anyone ever tell ya' y'all talk funny?
Rebel: Die, Yankee bahsturd, die!!!
T&D: Who you callin' a YANKEE???

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Brad, your not far wrong except I'm a kiwi not an ozzie. Accent similar but slightly more refined. First guy at T&D gave up as soon as I asked for the rockers. 2nd guy wanted me to send him an email. I told him to naff off, ain't gana happin coz ya dang bloody Anza dem. Once he got a handle on my accent we were away.
Unfortunately even tho they have ball type adjusters, they can only be fitted to some Buick or Oldsmobile rocker. So it looks like I'll be having copper gold looking rockers for next season

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Originally Posted By rebel
Brad, your not far wrong except I'm a kiwi not an ozzie. Accent similar but slightly more refined.

OK, so 20+ years ago I'm sitting in the Newark, New Jersey, airport on a 3-hour layover between Washington, D.C., and Los Angeles. (Such was the downside of finding cheap airfare.)

I'm having a nice talk w/ a guy in the waiting area killing time and all I know is he's got an accent. So, I ask him what part of Australia he's from... and he gives me a total death stare and tells me he's from New Zealand, not Oz. Hey, us stoopid Americans can't tell the difference! grin

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Re: T&D Rocker Arm question [Re: rebel] #2015325
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G'Day Mate! If you buy new rockers, chances are you will need a different length pushrod anyway. T&D is very specific on where they want their adjusters to run in the rocker. Leaving only a turn and 1/2 either way for adjustment and won't guarantee them otherwise.

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