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Re: SETTING PINION DEPTH............ [Re: 451Mopar] #2006178
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Originally Posted By 451Mopar


The clamshell type bearing remover will allow you remove the bearings without damage if you need to change the shims.



I'll have to see someone pull this off before I believe it. I've tried it many times. Heated the bearing. Iced the pinion. Never gotten one off without damaging the needle-cage first.


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Re: SETTING PINION DEPTH............ [Re: Thumperdart] #2006184
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The tool uses the race to compress and contain the rollers and the cage. Takes some using it to get it right. If you're using it on the pinion, you'll have to have a second bearing race.


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I ordered a bearing and will have it later today along w/a nut that way I won`t screw anything up which I`m a pro at.......... biggrin Phase one, got the pinion races installed the after my carb work is done I`ll get back after it. Thankxxx again for all of the help and I`m sure I`ll have many more questions............. realcrazy


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Re: SETTING PINION DEPTH............ [Re: GTX MATT] #2006248
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For street applications I used whatever is marked on ring gear usually .008 to .010. B\L Transbrake dragcar try for .005-.006 never had any troubles. up

Re: SETTING PINION DEPTH............ [Re: BuckeyeBrawler] #2006256
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Thankxxx Cass recommended .007-.008.............I sure wish I had a carrier vise but hopefully my friend will build me one...... thumbs I will always be a footbrake guy at least w/this car....... Crazy question but do you guys think the filler plug assists in structural strength? The reason I ask is I was thinking of getting an alum. plug instead......

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Re: SETTING PINION DEPTH............ [Re: Thumperdart] #2006301
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http://www.tdmach.com/Deluxe%20Pinion%20Checker%2011148.pdf

http://www.durasolid.com/carrer-pinnion-bearing-puller

I have a t&d pinion height tool and the clam shell type puller. The puller pulls bearings off in seconds and never hurts them. They both work excellent...

Re: SETTING PINION DEPTH............ [Re: WedgeFED] #2006311
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Looks cool but after talking to Cass, he said he doesn`t even use em and that it`s more of a hastle and takes more time messing w/those than it does to set em up sometimes.........


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Re: SETTING PINION DEPTH............ [Re: Thumperdart] #2006351
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Maybe you should just send it to me and I will send my carb to you for an even labor swap shruggy

I have set up probably over 100 gears and never once used a pinion depth tool. I do use set-up bearings for all the ones I do though so I guess it's just developing a feel for it.

Just remember to de-burr the shims before you start twocents

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Re: SETTING PINION DEPTH............ [Re: fourgearsavoy] #2006353
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Originally Posted By fourgearsavoy
Maybe you should just send it to me and I will send my carb to you for an even labor swap shruggy

I have set up probably over 100 gears and never once used a pinion depth tool. I do use set-up bearings for all the ones I do though so I guess it's just developing a feel for it.

Just remember to de-burr the shims before you start twocents

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I would if u were closer cos the fed ex monkey literally dropped the damn thing on my porch plus I need to learn how but thankxxx anyhow........ thumbs


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Re: SETTING PINION DEPTH............ [Re: Thumperdart] #2006395
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Aluminum plug !! Dom you've been hanging out with Full Metal Jacket and DVW too much. Aluminum plug will be fine. beer

Re: SETTING PINION DEPTH............ [Re: Thumperdart] #2006424
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Are you working on an 8-3/4" or Dana 60?
If the 8-3/4", which case (741, 742, 489), and if the 489 are you using the crush sleeve or solid spacer (crush sleeve eliminator?)

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Originally Posted By BuckeyeBrawler
Aluminum plug !! Dom you've been hanging out with Full Metal Jacket and DVW too much. Aluminum plug will be fine. beer


Had to ask............ biggrin Ya 451mopar, it`s the 489 set up w/the solid spacer..........


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Re: SETTING PINION DEPTH............ [Re: WedgeFED] #2006481
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Originally Posted By WedgeFED
http://www.tdmach.com/Deluxe%20Pinion%20Checker%2011148.pdf

http://www.durasolid.com/carrer-pinnion-bearing-puller

I have a t&d pinion height tool and the clam shell type puller. The puller pulls bearings off in seconds and never hurts them. They both work excellent...
That is a cool puller.....but I have to wonder why all the fuss about pulling bearings. Why not just polish the pinion, spool, what have you, so that the bearings are not a press fit and be done with it. Where does anybody think the bearing is going to GO if it's not pressed on tightly

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Originally Posted By Thumperdart
Thankxxx Cass recommended .007-.008.............I sure wish I had a carrier vise but hopefully my friend will build me one...... thumbs


I got myself a 3 ft section of drilled angle steel at home depot for a few bucks. bolted the chunk to it at about the center through the mounting holes. I can then put the chunk on the floor and stand on the angle steel on either side. it holds the chunk in place for torqueing the cap bolts.


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Thankxxx Cass recommended .007-.008.............I sure wish I had a carrier vise but hopefully my friend will build me one...... thumbs


I got myself a 3 ft section of drilled angle steel at home depot for a few bucks. bolted the chunk to it at about the center through the mounting holes. I can then put the chunk on the floor and stand on the angle steel on either side. it holds the chunk in place for torqueing the cap bolts.



I may have to steal this if u don`t mind..........


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Re: SETTING PINION DEPTH............ [Re: Monte_Smith] #2006547
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Originally Posted By Monte_Smith
Originally Posted By WedgeFED
http://www.tdmach.com/Deluxe%20Pinion%20Checker%2011148.pdf

http://www.durasolid.com/carrer-pinnion-bearing-puller

I have a t&d pinion height tool and the clam shell type puller. The puller pulls bearings off in seconds and never hurts them. They both work excellent...
That is a cool puller.....but I have to wonder why all the fuss about pulling bearings. Why not just polish the pinion, spool, what have you, so that the bearings are not a press fit and be done with it. Where does anybody think the bearing is going to GO if it's not pressed on tightly


I agree thats what I do, Just in case you have to replace a gear at the track! Not many fancy pullers or presses where I race. drive

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Originally Posted By Monte_Smith
I have to wonder why all the fuss about pulling bearings. Why not just polish the pinion, spool, what have you, so that the bearings are not a press fit and be done with it. Where does anybody think the bearing is going to GO if it's not pressed on tightly


Thank you. Needed to be said.


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I was wondering the same thing about the crazy press fit because once everything`s tight where`s it gonna go? shruggy I have grinding bits and flapper wheels so I`ll mike the pinion after I polish it up and the bearing id`s and slowly remove the needed material from the bearing id and go from there.......... thumbs

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Well why is anything bearing press fit? I thought so that the inner ring doesn't spin on whatever its pressed on, rather than the bearing spinning. Be careful how much you remove.


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I have to agree with GTXMatt here.

If the bearing is a slip fit on the pinion then there is the chance of the race wearing the pinion stem. Possibly galling it because that portion of the bearing is not designed to be lubed (no oil grooves) like the needle cage is. IMO the pinion and bearing need to become one as the housing and race are, with a press fit.

I could see easing the press fit a bit and the only way I would do this is by honing the I.D. of the bearing. Start taking material off the pinion and you have a cluster F*** the next time it needs to be worked on.

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