anyone ever lighten lower control arms?
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Wondering if it can be done safely? Please dont tell me to buy CAP lowers because they are heavier than stock
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Re: anyone ever lighten lower control arms?
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FMJ, what did you do to the strut rods?
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Re: anyone ever lighten lower control arms?
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The 3-dimension construction is where the stiffness comes from. IMHO some of the connecting material can be drilled or cut away without serious loss of strength. As the weight gets closer to the ball joint more of it is unsprung and more valuable to lighten.
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Re: anyone ever lighten lower control arms?
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When they make plates to stiffen them, it tells me they are good enough for production vehicles but not much more. Are you sure you want to go into uncharted territory and take a chance on winding up weaker than your needs? It wouldn't be very budget friendly but here is another idea. My plan would be to make replacements out of Moly tube, and some moly plate for the shock mount and outer end. Then all that is needed is somebody that can figure out what will work for equal or greater strength. If you are still going to run torsion bars, then you are still stuck with a lot of the weight on the inner end anyway, so it wouldn't be on my priority list unless I need to lower the front shock mount for a coilover conversion.
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Re: anyone ever lighten lower control arms?
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I made up some moly tube arms for a different application and it worked UNTIL they were road racing and went off the course... it folded up... I wouldnt lighten them being that you use it on DW... you never know what the roads will be like I would look elsewhere to drop some pounds
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Re: anyone ever lighten lower control arms?
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I have 73 spindles that look extremely heavy compared to brand x also
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Re: anyone ever lighten lower control arms?
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FMJ anyone make the aluminum strut rods any more?
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Re: anyone ever lighten lower control arms?
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The 3-dimension construction is where the stiffness comes from. IMHO some of the connecting material can be drilled or cut away without serious loss of strength. As the weight gets closer to the ball joint more of it is unsprung and more valuable to lighten. I think I agree, but not sure what you are describing as " connecting material". I think you mean like a typical I beam connecting rod maybe or driveshaft, the material in the center does not add greatly to the strength in bending loads, and is the first place to start lightening with little downside. IMO, a stock LCA is very robust, and never by members here need the monkey see monkey do stiffening plates, and as OP is thinking, lightening is an option, for a non road race car.
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Re: anyone ever lighten lower control arms?
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FMJ anyone make the aluminum strut rods any more? For my old chassis I made up the lower arms and the strut rods.. in both alum and moly.. the moly ended up being lighter.. the alum rod was solid with it threaded for heim joints.. the moly was tubing with weld in thread adapters and heims.. they both worked fine but I ended up using the moly rods... they were on there for a few years until I built the new chassis.. that chassis was moly with struts and a 4-link.... the old chassis was A-arm uppers and standard style lower but home made and a ladder bar.. that whole front end was home made.. mini van alum hubs and my own disc brake set up... it worked fine for the 135 mph I was running at that time
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Re: anyone ever lighten lower control arms?
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FMJ anyone make the aluminum strut rods any more? Yes, I have the QA-1`s and not only are they lighter but heims make em transfer quicker which some cars like and some don`t but mine did............
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Re: anyone ever lighten lower control arms?
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Thumper, was looking at the qa1 rods but they claim a 6 lb weight reduction which has to be [censored] since my one strut rod only weighs slightly over 2 lbs. Then the $200 price tag is too much for me
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Re: anyone ever lighten lower control arms?
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Thumper, was looking at the qa1 rods but they claim a 6 lb weight reduction which has to be [censored] since my one strut rod only weighs slightly over 2 lbs. Then the $200 price tag is too much for me Agreed, it was more like maybe 3-4 lbs. iirc but didn`t care cos the car is looser in the ft. and launches harder plus stock arms bind a lot being rigidly mounted instead of heims.
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Re: anyone ever lighten lower control arms?
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Wondering if it can be done safely? Please dont tell me to buy CAP lowers because they are heavier than stock I am in the process of changing my KOS Demon over to tubular LCA so I can lose the torsion bars and have more header room. These are HDK parts and my car is one of the gunnie pigs on this new design. They are a lot lighter than stock and will fit the stock K frame, plus being real pieces of art and I think made of 4130 CM but not positive. In my case I am effecting a repair to wallered out holes in the front of the K frame where the pivot pin goes through, by having Denny enlarge the front of the LCA pivot pins that they supply, so my K frame hole is tight again after I drill it out to 3/4". I will also probably weld a doubler there so it stays tight. That can be done with the k-frame in the car and the engine on it. The car already has tubular uppers. HDK has a upper shock mount that goes inside the stock shock tower. Hopefully my existing tubular UCAs will clear the shock coils with his shock geometry. These pivot on urethane bushings. They could pivot on 1/2" OD, 3/4" ID sealed ball bearings without any trouble I think, but the noise/ride would be harsher. These can use the stock or aftermarket strut rods. I need to get a camera so I can make a thread about this.
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