Re: 1 full comp point increase is worth what? Dyno results insyd
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Wow, thanks for the info. What cam is he running?
I was contemplating shaving my heads for a bump of a half point to a point, this is good info and I think I'll pull those suckers off at the end of the season and shave them.
EDIT: Noticed you shaved the block and now it likes less timing. What was the before and after piston to head clearance?
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Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
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Re: 1 full comp point increase is worth what? Dyno results insyd
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Good info... from the testing I did.. the lower the starting compression the bigger the gain... as in going from 9.1 to 10.1.. its a deminising return thing
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Re: 1 full comp point increase is worth what? Dyno results insyd
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Wow, thanks for the info. What cam is he running?
I was contemplating shaving my heads for a bump of a half point to a point, this is good info and I think I'll pull those suckers off at the end of the season and shave them.
EDIT: Noticed you shaved the block and now it likes less timing. What was the before and after piston to head clearance? Lunati cam Lunati Yes the block was decked .045" so the pistons are .010" in the hole now. J.Rob
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Re: 1 full comp point increase is worth what? Dyno results insyd
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Peak power wound up like this 537 hp @ 5600 rpm and 564 ft/lbs @ 4300-4400 rpm. J.Rob
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Re: 1 full comp point increase is worth what? Dyno results insyd
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Very cool ! Thanks for the info ! Thanks, I thought this was a pretty cool test. I have never had the opportunity to make only one change like this and re test. J.Rob
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Re: 1 full comp point increase is worth what? Dyno results insyd
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Good info... from the testing I did.. the lower the starting compression the bigger the gain... as in going from 9.1 to 10.1.. its a deminising return thing This is what I have come to understand as well. Also noteworthy is idle vacuum increased 2.5" as well from baseline. J.Rob
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Re: 1 full comp point increase is worth what? Dyno results insyd
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Did it go from having no quench to a real quench area with the milling? If so, I'd think that would have something to do with it needing less ignition lead.
Did the BSFC numbers improve, too?
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Re: 1 full comp point increase is worth what? Dyno results insyd
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Mr P body when does it start dropping off ?? 14.1 15.1 ?? Thxs !!! It drops all along when the compression is increased.. the higher the compression the less the increase... its more like a bell curve
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Re: 1 full comp point increase is worth what? Dyno results insyd
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Did it go from having no quench to a real quench area with the milling? If so, I'd think that would have something to do with it needing less ignition lead.
Did the BSFC numbers improve, too? This is what I was getting at. .040 compressed head gasket?
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Re: 1 full comp point increase is worth what? Dyno results insyd
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Mr P body when does it start dropping off ?? 14.1 15.1 ?? Thxs !!! It drops all along when the compression is increased.. the higher the compression the less the increase... its more like a bell curve David Vizard chart for estimating power increase % due to CR increase.
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Re: 1 full comp point increase is worth what? Dyno results insyd
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Did it go from having no quench to a real quench area with the milling? If so, I'd think that would have something to do with it needing less ignition lead.
Did the BSFC numbers improve, too? This is what I was getting at. .040 compressed head gasket? Just looked and saw RAMM got a 6% increase, much higher than the Vizard chart I posted predicted. I suspect he found some "bonus points" by building quench into it, too. Well, RAMM?
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Re: 1 full comp point increase is worth what? Dyno results insyd
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And according to his chart its the same thing I said.. look at the higher compression points and it shows like 1% increase and even lower
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Re: 1 full comp point increase is worth what? Dyno results insyd
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And according to his chart its the same thing I said.. look at the higher compression points and it shows like 1% increase and even lower You also said it was like a bell curve, but it's not. It's just a simple case of diminishing returns.
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Re: 1 full comp point increase is worth what? Dyno results insyd
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Did it go from having no quench to a real quench area with the milling? If so, I'd think that would have something to do with it needing less ignition lead.
Did the BSFC numbers improve, too? This is what I was getting at. .040 compressed head gasket? Just looked and saw RAMM got a 6% increase, much higher than the Vizard chart I posted predicted. I suspect he found some "bonus points" by building quench into it, too. Well, RAMM? I think that being he cut the deck to gain the point he made the chamber more efficient over what it was.. that might give him the higher % increase AND the lack of timing.. which the lack of timing is efficiency
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Re: 1 full comp point increase is worth what? Dyno results insyd
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Would a switch to aluminum heads allowed you to keep running the 38 degrees of timing and resulted in even more of a power jump? JMO but if you ran higher timing on the alum head VS less timing on a iron head that it would be the same.. if both heads were the same thing and just different material... again... JMO
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