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Torsion Bar Size for 73 Charger 1.00 or 1.06? #1793536 03/31/15 11:05 PM 03/31/15 11:05 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,526 North Carolina cjskotni OP pro stock
cjskotni OP pro stock Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,526 North Carolina	Guys, I am thinking about getting a set of the FirmFeel torsion bars for my 1973 Charger. This is a street car that I am looking for better handling. I like a firm ride but not anything to rattle the teeth out of my head. Right now the car has the OEM heavy duty bars .96"? I think. Here is the relevant information: - FirmFeel stage III steering gear - poly bushings all over - poly k-frame mounts - big block car with ~100 lbs of weight reduction on the front end (aluminum heads/radiator/master cylinder/WP/WP housing/Sanden compressor) - KYB shocks (may go Bilsteins later) Would I notice much a difference from the bars I have now with 1.00 or 1.06"? Of the two, what would give me the best handling without knocking my teeth out when I hit a bump? I also have the 7" deep oil pan which every time I go over a hump in the road I worry about whacking it so trying to help that as well. Opinions? Thoughts? Thanks!!

Re: Torsion Bar Size for 73 Charger 1.00 or 1.06? [Re: cjskotni] #1793537 03/31/15 11:43 PM 03/31/15 11:43 PM
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moparmarks I Live Here Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 12,494 Western Colorado High Desert	I run 1" bars on a lot of 72-older B's and E bodies and really like them. Beings that the 73/4 B has a heavier front end I'd think the 1.06 bars would be the ones that I'd use. 72 Satellite Sebring Plus 440, 72 Dart 5.9 4-spd, 68 Valiant, 73 W200, 78 D100 sb, 78 D200, 98 DAKOTA, . Moparmarks Parts & Restorations Desert Mopar Metal Grand Jct. CO 970-261-7039 http://moparmark.com/ motormangj@gmail.com

Re: Torsion Bar Size for 73 Charger 1.00 or 1.06? [Re: moparmarks] #1793538 04/01/15 12:48 AM 04/01/15 12:48 AM
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bordin34 super stock B Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 842 Urbana, MD	My 1973 Charger is almost identical to yours with the mods done. I went 1.06" and wish I went bigger. The KYB shocks will be your biggest problem they ride very rough and are not good. I adapted shocks from 1971 GTO to fit and they make the car handle and ride much better. I used Koni Oranges.

Re: Torsion Bar Size for 73 Charger 1.00 or 1.06? [Re: cjskotni] #1793539 04/01/15 02:55 AM 04/01/15 02:55 AM
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RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	slightly OT; I put some monstrous dia circle track tbars (all I had ex for /6 bars) in a DD 65 dart with 003/003 SS springs & it rode very very nice and firm 8477200-white65dodgedart004.jpg (238 downloads) Last edited by RapidRobert; 04/01/15 02:58 AM. live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Torsion Bar Size for 73 Charger 1.00 or 1.06? [Re: cjskotni] #1793540 04/01/15 08:41 AM 04/01/15 08:41 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,575 The Netherlands BigBlockMopar master
BigBlockMopar master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,575 The Netherlands	I went from 0.87" to 1" on my '73 sb Dart and I'm stepping up again soon to 1.12" FF bars. In this day and age, I'm thinking 1" bars should've been 'stock' A-body springs imo. Shocks become more important when springrates go up, or otherwise the car becomes 'bouncy' when hitting speedbumps for instance. KYB's have a fairly hard initial bump and not enough internal friction to control heavier springs. I've got Hotchkis adj. shocks on the front and Bilsteins at the rear which were a major step up in the car's feel and handling. Specially with a 7" pan I would think you want 1.12" bars aswell. BigBlockMopar.com

Re: Torsion Bar Size for 73 Charger 1.00 or 1.06? [Re: moparmarks] #1793541 04/01/15 12:57 PM 04/01/15 12:57 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	Being that the 73+ b-body bars are longer than the 72 down b-body bars, a 1.00" bar on a 73+ will ride softer than a 1.00 bar on a 72 down. If you already have .96's, I wouldn't waste my money upgrading to 1.00's. Go straight to the 1.06's. That would probably be roughly equivalent to a 1.00 bar on a 72- b-body.

Re: Torsion Bar Size for 73 Charger 1.00 or 1.06? [Re: bordin34] #1793542 04/01/15 03:49 PM 04/01/15 03:49 PM
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jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	Quote: My 1973 Charger is almost identical to yours with the mods done. I went 1.06" and wish I went bigger. The KYB shocks will be your biggest problem they ride very rough and are not good. I adapted shocks from 1971 GTO to fit and they make the car handle and ride much better. I used Koni Oranges. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Torsion Bar Size for 73 Charger 1.00 or 1.06? [Re: jcc] #1793543 04/01/15 09:25 PM 04/01/15 09:25 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,526 North Carolina cjskotni OP pro stock
cjskotni OP pro stock Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,526 North Carolina	OK. I bit the bullet and ordered the 1.06" bars, new adjusters, and Billsteins all around. God save my soul when my wife sees the bill. I just want to get this car's suspension finished off once and for all!

Re: Torsion Bar Size for 73 Charger 1.00 or 1.06? [Re: cjskotni] #1793544 04/01/15 09:46 PM 04/01/15 09:46 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Torsion Bar Size for 73 Charger 1.00 or 1.06? [Re: cjskotni] #1793545 04/04/15 08:04 AM 04/04/15 08:04 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,575 The Netherlands BigBlockMopar master
BigBlockMopar master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,575 The Netherlands	Just tell the wife to think of all the oil refills you now save by not slamming the oilpan into the pavement all the time...! BigBlockMopar.com

Re: Torsion Bar Size for 73 Charger 1.00 or 1.06? [Re: cjskotni] #1793546 04/04/15 09:56 AM 04/04/15 09:56 AM
Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 518 Georgia S Steve Bryant mopar
Steve Bryant mopar S Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 518 Georgia	On a side note, I just changed my E-Body to a Firm Feel Stage II and its pretty stiff for a driver. I will probably get used to it with a little more time (less than 200 miles since) but a Stage III would be too much for my tastes for sure. Have you driven both? It may be that I can adjust it but I am trying to get used to it first.

Re: Torsion Bar Size for 73 Charger 1.00 or 1.06? [Re: Steve Bryant] #1793547 04/04/15 11:01 AM 04/04/15 11:01 AM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	Of all the reviews of FF boxes over the years, including two of my own, that is the first comment I have ever read about a #2 being too stiff. Is it recent purchase, and maybe FF stiffened things up further, because most buyers like myself, ponder maybe a #3 would have be better. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Torsion Bar Size for 73 Charger 1.00 or 1.06? [Re: Steve Bryant] #1793548 04/05/15 04:45 PM 04/05/15 04:45 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,526 North Carolina cjskotni OP pro stock
cjskotni OP pro stock Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,526 North Carolina	Quote: On a side note, I just changed my E-Body to a Firm Feel Stage II and its pretty stiff for a driver. I will probably get used to it with a little more time (less than 200 miles since) but a Stage III would be too much for my tastes for sure. Have you driven both? It may be that I can adjust it but I am trying to get used to it first. I have the stage III box in my Charger and I love it. I was worried that it would be too stiff but not really an issue..even at low speeds. I am glad I went to the stage III and skipped the stage II myself. I got my Bilsteins already and put the rear ones on. Car feels a lot nicer already! I am going to wait on the fronts until I get the torsion bars this week so i can just do it all at once. My question is what specs do I need to use (or try to use) for the alignment when I get this stuff swapped in? I talked to Matt @ FirmFeel and he said 4-4.5* pos caster, 1-1.5* negative camber, and 1/16-1/8 toe-in. Does this sound right to you guys? I have had this car aligned to factory specs before and I never really liked it. I know the factory specs are out-dated for modern radial tires and upgraded suspension. I want the steering to want to return back to center and get as steady of a feel as possible. What do you guys recommend I tell them to use when they align it? Thanks!

Re: Torsion Bar Size for 73 Charger 1.00 or 1.06? [Re: cjskotni] #1793549 04/06/15 12:50 PM 04/06/15 12:50 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,526 North Carolina cjskotni OP pro stock
cjskotni OP pro stock Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,526 North Carolina	Quote: talked to Matt @ FirmFeel and he said 4-4.5* pos caster, 1-1.5* negative camber, and 1/16-1/8 toe-in. Does this sound right to you guys? I have had this car aligned to factory specs before and I never really liked it. I know the factory specs are out-dated for modern radial tires and upgraded suspension. I want the steering to want to return back to center and get as steady of a feel as possible. What do you guys recommend I tell them to use when they align it? Anybody? I'd like to get this done right and not have to keep bringing it in for alignment after alignment....

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