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Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? #1790622 03/28/15 09:43 PM 03/28/15 09:43 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,161 CT GTX MATT OP master
GTX MATT OP master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,161 CT	Rebuilding an 833, new input bearing (307) pretty much slid right on. Is this going to be an issue? Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: GTX MATT] #1790623 03/28/15 09:50 PM 03/28/15 09:50 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,129 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,129 Bend,OR USA	It should not slide on and off Did the old one slide off? If so it is probally the shaft causing the issue, if it didn't slide off maybe it is the new bearing inner race being to big on the I.D. Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1790624 03/28/15 10:24 PM 03/28/15 10:24 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,161 CT GTX MATT OP master
GTX MATT OP master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,161 CT	Its a new input shaft and a new bearing Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: GTX MATT] #1790625 03/29/15 12:22 AM 03/29/15 12:22 AM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio	What shaft is it? I mean who made it? I have heard some of the aftermarket gear sets aren't top quality machine work Gus 8474061-frontveiwsavoy.jpg (107 downloads) 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: fourgearsavoy] #1790626 03/29/15 12:28 AM 03/29/15 12:28 AM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours Supercuda About to go away
Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Last input shaft bearing I installed slid on, but I heated it up first. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: Supercuda] #1790627 03/29/15 12:49 AM 03/29/15 12:49 AM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,161 CT GTX MATT OP master
GTX MATT OP master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,161 CT	From Brewers, I want to try to get a hold of Wayne, was planning to put this together tomorrow. Anyone know his username on here? I know its 64Dodge or something but couldn't find it. Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: GTX MATT] #1790628 03/29/15 12:54 AM 03/29/15 12:54 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,868 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,868 Ontario, Canada	use a center punch and put a few divots in the shaft. now press the bearing on.

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: Stanton] #1790629 03/29/15 05:22 AM 03/29/15 05:22 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,757 Rio Linda, CA John_Kunkel Too Many Posts
John_Kunkel Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,757 Rio Linda, CA	Or use Loctite shaft lock. http://www.loctite.com.au/3320_AUE_HTML.htm?nodeid=8802649407489 The INTERNET, the MISinformation superhighway

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: John_Kunkel] #1790630 03/29/15 05:46 AM 03/29/15 05:46 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,099 Rogue River, OR Jeremiah master
Jeremiah master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,099 Rogue River, OR	My new 9310 input shaft was the same way. I consulted Jamie Passon and he said this is normal. I used loctite sleeve retainer and let it set up over night.

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: Jeremiah] #1790631 03/29/15 05:00 PM 03/29/15 05:00 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,285 Ohio 6 64dodge572 master
64dodge572 master 6 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,285 Ohio	Quote: My new 9310 input shaft was the same way. I consulted Jamie Passon and he said this is normal. I used loctite sleeve retainer and let it set up over night. GTX Matt, It should be a press fit but using the correct Loctite is acceptable. I rarely need to do this assembling a trans but it does happen. Dan Brewers Performance Inc. 4-speed transmission and parts specialists PH 937-947-4416 or 937-698-4259 FAX 937-947-4419 www.brewersperformance.com

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: 64dodge572] #1790632 03/30/15 01:25 PM 03/30/15 01:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376 D dogdays I Live Here
dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	No way would I mark up the OD of the input shaft. Each divot is a stress riser and can lead to failure. The outermost parts of the shaft are the most highly loaded. The Loctite would be my preferred method, and I do this stuff for a living. R.

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: GTX MATT] #1790633 03/30/15 02:23 PM 03/30/15 02:23 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,129 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,129 Bend,OR USA	Quote: Its a new input shaft and a new bearing Being that the engineers designed those to be a press fit that is what I would want Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: GTX MATT] #1790634 03/30/15 03:51 PM 03/30/15 03:51 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,009 South Park, Pa. 68LAR master
68LAR master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,009 South Park, Pa.	I've rebuilt more 833's than I want to admit. I've never had ONE, that the input bearing slid on the input shaft. All had to be forced on, one way or another. Of course I haven't done as many as Brewers has, but still...... 4 speed street legal. Best time 10.99 @ 124 mph on 93 octane pump gas @ 3926# total weight

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: 68LAR] #1790635 03/31/15 11:10 PM 03/31/15 11:10 PM
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 276 Temecula, Ca. Z zzyzxpat enthusiast
zzyzxpat enthusiast Z Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 276 Temecula, Ca.	As long as the centerline is held and the retaining ring takes up any endplay, it really doesn't matter. " The last official act of any goverment, is to loot the treasury" George Washington

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: zzyzxpat] #1790636 04/01/15 01:57 AM 04/01/15 01:57 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,129 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,129 Bend,OR USA	Quote: As long as the centerline is held and the retaining ring takes up any endplay, it really doesn't matter. If the bearing races slides onto the input shaft how can you hold the center to the center .0002 or more lateral, out of round, movement is enough to wear out the pilot bushing in the cranksahft Don't ask me how I know about that Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: Jeremiah] #1790637 04/01/15 02:25 AM 04/01/15 02:25 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,979 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,979 U.S.S.A.	Quote: My new 9310 input shaft was the same way. I consulted Jamie Passon and he said this is normal. I used loctite sleeve retainer and let it set up over night. It's only somewhat normal on the late OD trans ... in my experience only on the rear bearing ... I've never just slid an input bearing on a NON OD trans input shaft.

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: JohnRR] #1790638 04/01/15 02:37 AM 04/01/15 02:37 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,099 Rogue River, OR Jeremiah master
Jeremiah master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,099 Rogue River, OR	So you guys are saying my transmission is going to self destruct? I'd like to hear something more than speculation on this. If you haven't worked through this problem please don't muddy the waters.

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: Jeremiah] #1790639 04/01/15 02:52 AM 04/01/15 02:52 AM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,161 CT GTX MATT OP master
GTX MATT OP master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,161 CT	Quote: So you guys are saying my transmission is going to self destruct? I'd like to hear something more than speculation on this. If you haven't worked through this problem please don't muddy the waters. Is yours working? I put mine together, used the sleeve retainer. Any lateral play was unmeasurable with the tools that I have and not apparent to the naked eye. The sleeve retainer held well. I could tap the input bearing off the old input shaft pretty easily with a small ball peen hammer against the retaining clip, so I felt more better about it. This thing gets abused so I guess we'll find out. I'd think the worst that can happen is it wont hold, the input will spin in the bearing, generate heat, and weld itself to the bearing, in which case it will work as designed anyway? Are they pressed for any other reason than to keep them centered? Reduce heat that can be caused by the input spinning in the bearing? Last edited by GTX MATT; 04/01/15 02:55 AM. Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: GTX MATT] #1790640 04/01/15 03:26 AM 04/01/15 03:26 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,099 Rogue River, OR Jeremiah master
Jeremiah master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,099 Rogue River, OR	My last aftermarket input shaft didn't have the clearance issue and the bearing pressed on like a stock unit does. The latest 9310 input shaft has a .000 fit from my measurements so in theory the sleeve retainer will be just fine. Once it's all put together there is really nowhere for the input shaft to go if you think about it. On the other hand not indicating the bell housing will cause problems. To answer your question I am not sure at this point. That said I am going to run it and beat it like it owes me money. I can't really go back because we have out 833 gear sets face plated with Liberty stuff. Let us know how yours works. We are getting into floating on the pond and convertible season around here so my interest in cars wanes seasonally. We might have the red 4-speed Charger running this summer but I have pretty much given up hope lol. Good luck and happy shifting!

Re: Input Shaft Bearing Press Fit? [Re: Jeremiah] #1790641 04/01/15 11:29 AM 04/01/15 11:29 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,979 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,979 U.S.S.A.	Quote: So you guys are saying my transmission is going to self destruct? I'd like to hear something more than speculation on this. If you haven't worked through this problem please don't muddy the waters. I'm never said it's going to self destruct. I said that the bearing should not just slip on. If you put something in there to lock the shaft to the inner race then you SHOULD be good to go.

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