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Re: checking for hidden delay box
[Re: cudaman1969]
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03/20/15 12:37 AM
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MR_P_BODY
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If he had something that changed his time package it would be the only way to beat your perfect package. Maybe something to change the time difference in the tree, in effect slowing your side down.
I never said we had a perfect package... but if I beat
him on the tree he came up with a dead on with a zero
and I had a 2.. wasnt only me either... but it finally
came out... that was 2 weeks later.. one of the guys
spilled the beans after Bader had a talk
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Re: checking for hidden delay box
[Re: Dragula]
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03/20/15 11:18 AM
03/20/15 11:18 AM
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kissmyaspen
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Maddy Innovations. they used to have a web page. now you can so what they did with the grid ignition box.
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Re: checking for hidden delay box
[Re: kissmyaspen]
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03/20/15 12:13 PM
03/20/15 12:13 PM
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SportF
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Maddy Innovations. they used to have a web page. now you can so what they did with the grid ignition box.
You are right Dustin, and I don't think folks realize how this can foul up racing. Check out Gary Hairfield on the west coast. In either 2010 or 2011 he was track champ at 3 (three!) different tracks. Dialing an 8.04 at 1/8 mile at 100 mph, he would stay at that dial no matter how the night temps changed at Barona (San Diego). At the same time, I was running 7.30 at 95 mph (this is pro class).
DJ Detloff was another racer out there with the same set up, both these guys running 08 or 09 Corvettes. I don't know if they programmed the stock computer, or if aftermarket, the results were the same. That is, never change the dial all night long, always run the same number. Yes, they cut good lights, but when you see the same guys wining time after time its discouraging.
Out there you have some Mustang racers banging gears and trying to compete, its not worth the trip.
NHRA, you better get a handle on this or start a class for slew rates, but keep this stuff the heck out of non-electronics!!!!!!!!!
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Re: checking for hidden delay box
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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03/20/15 01:53 PM
03/20/15 01:53 PM
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cudasteve68
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I won't beat the horse but yes Bader found out how they were winning. And it was shown to him.
Yep... I commend the Baders for what they did..
those are good people
Baders were forced to make something happen before major happened.
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Re: checking for hidden delay box
[Re: cudasteve68]
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03/20/15 02:09 PM
03/20/15 02:09 PM
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I won't beat the horse but yes Bader found out how they were winning. And it was shown to him.
Yep... I commend the Baders for what they did..
those are good people
Baders were forced to make something happen before major happened.
Yes they were... but they could have said nothing
and looked the other way.... but they didnt.. if
they didnt do anything it would have hurt their
business and they run a good track and try to keep
things on a even keel
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Re: checking for hidden delay box
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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03/20/15 05:50 PM
03/20/15 05:50 PM
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cudasteve68
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I won't beat the horse but yes Bader found out how they were winning. And it was shown to him.
Yep... I commend the Baders for what they did..
those are good people
Baders were forced to make something happen before major happened.
Yes they were... but they could have said nothing
and looked the other way.... but they didnt.. if
they didnt do anything it would have hurt their
business and they run a good track and try to keep
things on a even keel
I am just saying that things were very ugly when things came to ahead. From what I know first hand there were more then 12. Many of them pulled the stuff when rumors started about the Matty Boxes being used. I know of a car that changed hands a few times that won an IHRA National ET Championship that still has brackets that a Matty Box & a delay box will bolt up to that was not part of the dozen.
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Re: checking for hidden delay box
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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03/20/15 06:29 PM
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Monte_Smith
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Its already been said......a guy who REALLY wants to cheat will and there is not much you can do about it. Aside from having a VERY experienced, large, capable tech crew. Then how many want to sit in a long tech line for a weekly bracket race. It could take a LONG time to REALLY check a car closely. Why do you think many NHRA classes have "spec" parts. Simply makes it easier for tech. You plug in to the ignition box and look what it can do. 7531 boxes are not allowed in many classes. You can change the sticker, but as soon as they plug to it, they KNOW. But with todays electronics, the ability to do lots of things is there. If you choose to run "no box", you can pretty much assure yourself that SOMEBODY is cheating. You have several choices. One is do what you do and not worry about everyone else. Two, join the fray and be sneaky yourself. Three, run the Pro class, or four.......stay home.
Monte
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Re: checking for hidden delay box
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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03/20/15 06:42 PM
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Its already been said......a guy who REALLY wants to cheat will and there is not much you can do about it. Aside from having a VERY experienced, large, capable tech crew. Then how many want to sit in a long tech line for a weekly bracket race. It could take a LONG time to REALLY check a car closely. Why do you think many NHRA classes have "spec" parts. Simply makes it easier for tech. You plug in to the ignition box and look what it can do. 7531 boxes are not allowed in many classes. You can change the sticker, but as soon as they plug to it, they KNOW. But with todays electronics, the ability to do lots of things is there. If you choose to run "no box", you can pretty much assure yourself that SOMEBODY is cheating. You have several choices. One is do what you do and not worry about everyone else. Two, join the fray and be sneaky yourself. Three, run the Pro class, or four.......stay home.
Monte
I hear ya Monte... we raced with the guys cheating
(not knowing they were)but we kept trying to get better..
when we raced the one guy we did take home some money
that night but we didnt win
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Re: checking for hidden delay box
[Re: Irun5snd8th]
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03/30/15 01:36 PM
03/30/15 01:36 PM
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Quicktree
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Just because a guy doesnt change his dial doesnt mean he's cheating. I RARELY change my dial. There are multiple reasons why and they have nothing to do with cheating. 
exactly,we had the division 2 director come ask to inspect my sons Jr Dragster at a race one time. somebody complained we had a delay box in it  I am serious
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