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Clutch disc size? And Flywheel? #1765186 02/28/15 01:58 PM 02/28/15 01:58 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 144 Pennsylvania ColorMeGreen OP member
ColorMeGreen OP member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 144 Pennsylvania	I'm looking to buy a clutch kit and I have no old parts to compare to. How do you determine the clutch size 10.5 0r 11 or doesn't it matter? I have a 440 with a 23 spline trans from a 69 Belvedere. I bought a flywheel years ago probably from ebay for the 440, I just noticed the label on the box reads 360! 8443734-IMG_4079.JPG (512 downloads)

Re: Clutch disc size? And Flywheel? [Re: ColorMeGreen] #1765187 02/28/15 02:01 PM 02/28/15 02:01 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,678 Fresno, CA Jim_Lusk I Live Here
Jim_Lusk I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,678 Fresno, CA	True 360 flywheel will not be balanced correctly, but yours also says 318. As for your original question. Count the ring gear teeth. 130 teeth, 10.5" or 10.95" scalloped. 143 teeth 11".

Re: Clutch disc size? And Flywheel? [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1765188 02/28/15 02:16 PM 02/28/15 02:16 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 144 Pennsylvania ColorMeGreen OP member
ColorMeGreen OP member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 144 Pennsylvania	This is the part I'm not getting. You can use two different size flywheels and the starter lines up correctly?

Re: Clutch disc size? And Flywheel? [Re: ColorMeGreen] #1765189 02/28/15 02:46 PM 02/28/15 02:46 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,174 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,174 Bend,OR USA	Quote: This is the part I'm not getting. You can use two different size flywheels and the starter lines up correctly? NO, if you have a OEM Mopar stock flywheel it should have one pressure plate pattern on it If so it can be for a nine inch clutch, 10.0, 10.5 or 11 inch. Count the teeth on the flywheel to see which one it is, if it is a 130 tooth it probally is a 10.5 or 10.0 inch clutch some of the early A body 273 and 318 had a nine inch clutch in them but I don't remember, I never cared, how many teeth where on those flywheels The 143 tooth flywheels take the 11.0 inch clutches. Some, many, of the after market flywheels, can have both the 10.5 and 11.0 pressure plate bolt patterns on them IHTHs Look at the back side of your bellhousing down low in the recesses on the drivers side and write down all the numbers cast into those recesses and post them on here Those are the casting numbers of your bellhousing, we can tell you the application of that bellhousing and possibly the clutch size IHTHs Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Clutch disc size? And Flywheel? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1765190 02/28/15 02:59 PM 02/28/15 02:59 PM
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Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Quote: Quote: This is the part I'm not getting. You can use two different size flywheels and the starter lines up correctly? NO, if you have a OEM Mopar stock flywheel it should have one pressure plate pattern on it If so it can be for a nine inch clutch, 10.0, 10.5 or 11 inch. Count the teeth on the flywheel to see which one it is, if it is a 130 tooth it probally is a 10.5 or 10.0 inch clutch some of the early A body 273 and 318 had a nine inch clutch in them but I don't remember, I never cared, how many teeth where on those flywheels The 143 tooth flywheels take the 11.0 inch clutches. Some, many, of the after market flywheels, can have both the 10.5 and 11.0 pressure plate bolt patterns on them IHTHs Look at the back side of your bellhousing down low in the recesses on the drivers side and write down all the numbers cast into those recesses and post them on here Those are the casting numbers of your bellhousing, we can tell you the application of that bellhousing and possibly the clutch size IHTHs There are two pressure plates that fit the 10.5" pattern. The 10.5" and the 10.95" (sometimes called the 11" scalloped, not to be confused with the true 11" setup). Count the teeth, show use pictures of the side of the flywheel that faces the engine and we can tell you what you have and what you need. Anything else is guessing. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: Clutch disc size? And Flywheel? [Re: ColorMeGreen] #1765191 02/28/15 06:00 PM 02/28/15 06:00 PM
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ColorMeGreen OP member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 144 Pennsylvania	I don't have the original flywheel, I noticed some chips on the teeth and threw it out. I'll take the bell off tomorrow morning and post the numbers. Thanks

Re: Clutch disc size? And Flywheel? [Re: ColorMeGreen] #1765192 02/28/15 06:24 PM 02/28/15 06:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,072 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,072 Niles , Ohio	The bell makes what you use for a flywheel.They cant be interchanged unless you have a lakewood shield.Then you can use bot wheels with their adapter.IIRC later 318 were external balance like 360.Most 440 were internal.You have to know which one you have.Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: Clutch disc size? And Flywheel? [Re: ColorMeGreen] #1765193 02/28/15 06:44 PM 02/28/15 06:44 PM
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ColorMeGreen OP member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 144 Pennsylvania	Here's the info for the new flywheel. New replacement flywheel for 1967-93 BB and SB Mopar 318, 340, 360, 383, 400, and 440 with 6 bolt crank. Utilizes 11" or 12" Clutch. Internal Balance 143 tooth 14 1/2" diameter ring gear. �VPI: V2060 �OEM: 4431100 / 2843411 �HOLLANDER: 409-521/396/789 �MAKE: AMC �TEETH: 143 �O.D. 14 1/2"" �CLUTCH: 11"" & 12"" �YEAR: 1967-1993 �ENGINE: 239/3.9L, 318/5.2L, 360/5.9L, 383/6.3L, 400/6.6L, 440/7.2L �APPLICATION: Chrysler, Dodge Plymouth VPI: V2060 OEM: 4431100 / 2843411

Re: Clutch disc size? And Flywheel? [Re: ColorMeGreen] #1765194 02/28/15 06:54 PM 02/28/15 06:54 PM
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Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Quote: Here's the info for the new flywheel. New replacement flywheel for 1967-93 BB and SB Mopar 318, 340, 360, 383, 400, and 440 with 6 bolt crank. Utilizes 11" or 12" Clutch. Internal Balance 143 tooth 14 1/2" diameter ring gear. �VPI: V2060 �OEM: 4431100 / 2843411 �HOLLANDER: 409-521/396/789 �MAKE: AMC �TEETH: 143 �O.D. 14 1/2"" �CLUTCH: 11"" & 12"" �YEAR: 1967-1993 �ENGINE: 239/3.9L, 318/5.2L, 360/5.9L, 383/6.3L, 400/6.6L, 440/7.2L �APPLICATION: Chrysler, Dodge Plymouth VPI: V2060 OEM: 4431100 / 2843411 Later 318's are not externally balanced. That interchanging listing is obviously not correct. It cannot possibly fit an internal balance engine or the various, but differently balanced, external balance engines as well unless it has a bunch of bolt on weights? They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: Clutch disc size? And Flywheel? [Re: Supercuda] #1765195 02/28/15 07:52 PM 02/28/15 07:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,796 Rio Linda, CA John_Kunkel Too Many Posts
John_Kunkel Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,796 Rio Linda, CA	Quote: Later 318's are not externally balanced. No 318 was ever externally balanced. The INTERNET, the MISinformation superhighway

Re: Clutch disc size? And Flywheel? [Re: John_Kunkel] #1765196 02/28/15 08:26 PM 02/28/15 08:26 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours Supercuda About to go away
Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Quote: Quote: Later 318's are not externally balanced. No 318 was ever externally balanced. True, however I was correcting the post above that said later ones were. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: Clutch disc size? And Flywheel? [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1765197 02/28/15 09:06 PM 02/28/15 09:06 PM
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KillerBee master K Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,497 N.E. Ohio	You will need the big block 11" bell housing to use a 143 tooth flywheel.

Re: Clutch disc size? And Flywheel? [Re: KillerBee] #1765198 02/28/15 10:11 PM 02/28/15 10:11 PM
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Steve Bryant mopar S Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 518 Georgia	Agree with KillerBee on this one. First, pick out the Bell Housing your vehicle supports and determine the size flywheel it takes. Second, pick out the proper flywheel for your Bell Housing Third, once you get those two then you can pick out the clutch you want. Most cars use the 130 Tooth and I chose an over sized or scalloped clutch that measures ALMOST 11" but it was designed for the smaller flywheel. I screwed up before and went out of order and ended up buying two bell housings and two clutches.

Re: Clutch disc size? And Flywheel? [Re: ColorMeGreen] #1765199 03/01/15 01:32 PM 03/01/15 01:32 PM
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ColorMeGreen OP member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 144 Pennsylvania	Does anyone have the list of bellhousing numbers? 8444803-IMG_4082.JPG (576 downloads)

Re: Clutch disc size? And Flywheel? [Re: ColorMeGreen] #1765200 03/01/15 02:30 PM 03/01/15 02:30 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,678 Fresno, CA Jim_Lusk I Live Here
Jim_Lusk I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,678 Fresno, CA	1969 big bearing (18-spline) big block for the 143-tooth flywheel and 11" clutch. Also has the three-speed trans pattern and was used in B and C bodies. I don't remember my son's bell having both patterns. I'll have to go out and look.

Re: Clutch disc size? And Flywheel? [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1765201 03/01/15 05:26 PM 03/01/15 05:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,497 N.E. Ohio K KillerBee master
KillerBee master K Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,497 N.E. Ohio	The factory bell housing for the 143 tooth flywheel has about an 1 1/2"-2" wide flat space on the bell housing right where the bell housing bolts to the engine. You can see the flat area where the bell housing bolts go into the block in the picture. You can find bell housing part numbers at Brewers Transmission Website, if you need parts they are great guys to deal with. http://www.brewersperformance.com/products.asp?cat=28

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