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70 Dart- data tag #1764045
02/26/15 11:41 PM
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Yep, still winter
but getting closer to spring

We are bringing this Dart back to life.

bought it 2 years ago



Won't be factory when finished, but wonder what was when new.




V21 V8X Y05 END

M21 M43 N41 M42 N85 R11

VX1 C16 C55 G31 J45

FYI H6X9 TX9 107 143050

E55 D32 LM29 HOR 196081


someone put a 2 barrel on the 340 (non Number eng)
added a 4 speed
bench seat



since it needs quarters and trunk, we are going to tub it for 10" x 15" rallye wheels
narrowed rear and move the springs in.

Have the fresh built 340 and 4 speed ready to go
A new pistol grip and hurst shifter

the front rotors will be changed to BBP



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68 "Cummins" Satellite
70 W-2 449 "More Door" Dart
70 340 Dart Swinger, 4spd
71 360 Dart Swinger
72 540/ 518 Dart Swinger
73 airwolf 446/a-500 Cuda
73 "Cummins" Crew cab-car hauler
84 446 Dodge Rampage (tube chassis)
92 CTD 11' flat bed
92 CTD club cab
07 Dodge Caliber
Re: 70 Dart- data tag [Re: draginmopars] #1764046
02/26/15 11:56 PM
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E55 340
D32 727 torque flite automatic trans
FY1 Yellow
H6X9 Black bucket interior
X9 black upper door frames
107 Jan 7th build date
V1Xblack roof
C16 console
C55 bucket seats
G31 something to do with glass that I don't remember
J45 hood pins
M21 chrome trim of some sort maybe drip rail??
M43 same but I don't remember
N41 dual exhaust
N42 bright exhaust tips
N85 tach
R11 am radio
V2X Maybe a pin stripe black - not clear on the V2 code
V8X bumble bee stripe black
Y05 sale bank car (ordered for stock not pre-sold, generally)
End well that's the end


Not too bad from memory

OK, I couldn't resist I grabbed my book,

G31 right outside manual mirror
M21 is drip rail
m43 bright grille trim
V21 performance hood treatment

I was correct on the rest I think.


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Re: 70 Dart- data tag [Re: mopar346] #1764047
02/27/15 12:08 AM
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Thanks looks correct

when we pulled the carpet
could see where the console brackets were


Ha-Ha Racin
Havin Fun 101

Howard

68 "Cummins" Satellite
70 W-2 449 "More Door" Dart
70 340 Dart Swinger, 4spd
71 360 Dart Swinger
72 540/ 518 Dart Swinger
73 airwolf 446/a-500 Cuda
73 "Cummins" Crew cab-car hauler
84 446 Dodge Rampage (tube chassis)
92 CTD 11' flat bed
92 CTD club cab
07 Dodge Caliber
Re: 70 Dart- data tag [Re: draginmopars] #1764048
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V21 hood blackout treatment

Re: 70 Dart- data tag [Re: crackedback] #1764049
02/27/15 02:26 AM
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Too bad you are going to cut it up, not many left and good color/options. I got 29x10.5x15 slicks in my Dart without tubbing, just moving the springs inboard and custom offset wheels. Only had to use the hammer in a couple spots on the inner wheelhouses after a few passes to see where the rubber was...


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Re: 70 Dart- data tag [Re: Rhinodart] #1764050
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Quote:

Too bad you are going to cut it up, not many left and good color/options. I got 29x10.5x15 slicks in my Dart without tubbing, just moving the springs inboard and custom offset wheels. Only had to use the hammer in a couple spots on the inner wheelhouses after a few passes to see where the rubber was...




Gonna make it a clean cut
3 1/2" strip to widen the tub, all welds on the inside of the tub.
like we did on the 71








If I had the original Eng, Trans, console, bucket seats.
I would keep it Factory

also it needs both front floor pans, spare tire well, both trunk extensions and quarters, rear valance.

plus, we have a narrowed Rear and 10" x 15" rally wheels just laying here


When we went to look at a green 70 Dart
We went there to buy the roof for the 72 Dart,
but had to buy the yellow one in order to get the green 70 parts car.



When I saw the yellow one, i saw



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Howard

68 "Cummins" Satellite
70 W-2 449 "More Door" Dart
70 340 Dart Swinger, 4spd
71 360 Dart Swinger
72 540/ 518 Dart Swinger
73 airwolf 446/a-500 Cuda
73 "Cummins" Crew cab-car hauler
84 446 Dodge Rampage (tube chassis)
92 CTD 11' flat bed
92 CTD club cab
07 Dodge Caliber
Re: 70 Dart- data tag [Re: draginmopars] #1764051
02/27/15 03:21 AM
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FWIW (round numbers) 1970 US specs.:
340 Swingers LM23H0 ~ 10,000 total
w/V21 hood paint ~2,500 total (1 in 4)
w/C55 buckets ~2,000 total (1 in 5)
w/C16 console ~1,000 total (1 in 10)
w/FY1 "TOP BANANA" ~1,000 total (1 in 10)


Re: 70 Dart- data tag [Re: 6bblgt] #1764052
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As far as 1970 Swinger 340s go, this one is pretty well optioned ,
and it would be a shame if it gets cut up ..but that's just my opinion.
A bucket seat ,console car is pretty desirable, and it is a good color combo, with the V21 and a factory tach .

I have had three of these 70 Swinger 340 cars , I like em .

Greg


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Re: 70 Dart- data tag [Re: BigMoneyLewis] #1764053
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not directed at anyone

Just asking

since alot of other sheet metal is getting replaced
Is tubbing it that bad??

The next owner, could always put the stock rear under it with 14" rallys
and most people wouldn't notice the tubs

like I said, so much original is missing> eng/ trans

The green 70 Dart I could get the trans and linkage out of to put it back automatic

Maybe watch for some seats and console.

The 340 we built will still be wrong due to casting date



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Howard

68 "Cummins" Satellite
70 W-2 449 "More Door" Dart
70 340 Dart Swinger, 4spd
71 360 Dart Swinger
72 540/ 518 Dart Swinger
73 airwolf 446/a-500 Cuda
73 "Cummins" Crew cab-car hauler
84 446 Dodge Rampage (tube chassis)
92 CTD 11' flat bed
92 CTD club cab
07 Dodge Caliber
Re: 70 Dart- data tag [Re: draginmopars] #1764054
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With the quality drag tires available today, tubbing is not necessary for traction. Please only cut up the 318 and /6 bodies.

Re: 70 Dart- data tag [Re: NANKET] #1764055
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It appears that the tubbing is done so mute point now. It a nice car but not a high dollar car so no harm no foul in my book. I would clean up the welds to make it less obvious when looking in the trunk.


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Re: 70 Dart- data tag [Re: draginmopars] #1764056
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Quote:

not directed at anyone

Just asking

since alot of other sheet metal is getting replaced
Is tubbing it that bad??




Some folks are purists, and prefer that every old Mopar stays original (no disrespect intended). I tend to think like you; with the drive train and important pieces of the interior missing, it's going to cost much more to make it APPEAR original than it would to make it the way YOU want it...and you'll never get that money back out of it. Press on...

Re: 70 Dart- data tag [Re: Fat_Mike] #1764057
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Engine and trans are gone, do what you like as it's going to get poo poo'd by the purist anyways.


Re: 70 Dart- data tag [Re: mopar346] #1764058
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Quote:

It appears that the tubbing is done so mute point now. It a nice car but not a high dollar car so no harm no foul in my book. I would clean up the welds to make it less obvious when looking in the trunk.




all welds on the inside of the tub.
like we did on the 71<<<

haven't done anything to it yet.

The pics are an example of making a clean cut to widen the wheel well.


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Howard

68 "Cummins" Satellite
70 W-2 449 "More Door" Dart
70 340 Dart Swinger, 4spd
71 360 Dart Swinger
72 540/ 518 Dart Swinger
73 airwolf 446/a-500 Cuda
73 "Cummins" Crew cab-car hauler
84 446 Dodge Rampage (tube chassis)
92 CTD 11' flat bed
92 CTD club cab
07 Dodge Caliber
Re: 70 Dart- data tag [Re: draginmopars] #1764059
02/27/15 06:23 PM
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50% of the "numbers matching" cars aren't! It's a hobby & a loosing proposition either way.

you can spend time & money making it appear as a factory correct musclecar, & get a ~50% ROI

you can spend time & money making it appear as a custom "hot rod", & get a ~25% ROI

It's your money that you can spend/invest/dispose of as you desire .....
but there is value in the "original bones" of a 340 Swinger, that value is lost once it becomes a "custom".

Quality body, paint, parts all cost time & money: STOCK or CUSTOM

Re: 70 Dart- data tag [Re: 6bblgt] #1764060
02/27/15 10:08 PM
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yes build it the way you want since non number roller
For mine I plan to keep # block/trans on side for next owner
good luck on it

hey 6bblgt where did you get color breakdown ??
how many lm23hor darts were plum crazy? with white vinyl top?

Re: 70 Dart- data tag [Re: pa340dart] #1764061
02/27/15 11:02 PM
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I agree with Dan, there are fewer truly numbers matching 340 cars out there than most realize. While lacking the numbers drive train does decrease the value a bit, it doesn't automatically degrade it to race car status in terms of value or collectability. Also, if you want to make it faster than stock you can accomplish that just fine with stock wheel wells, no need to hack on the car.

Just one more opinion, but if that car were mine I'd buy and replace stock replacement parts that it's missing (seats, uncut rear end, etc.) and build either s stock replacement 340 drive train for it, or a little stroker version if you want some more go.

*BTW, my 71 340 Duster also lacks it's original engine and trans, I'm heading my own advice on my own car.

Re: 70 Dart- data tag [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1764062
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Yes! There is hope!

Re: 70 Dart- data tag [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1764063
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And without crawling under the car, you'd never know this isn't the drive train it was born with, or that it makes 450HP


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