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Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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12/26/08 05:37 PM
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According to a article in the latest Drag racing action mag there is a tester offered by Quick Fuel that will test the Ethanol content of your fuel, might be somthing to look into and it look's to be a decent article,,,guess I need to sit down and do some reading.  now I need to try and find a station around these part's that sell's it.
Bill do you have any info or P/N on that tester
or the article that you can post. I might have to see
if I can get that mag
Mike I checked but the mag has no web site link to read it on line, and I have no way of getting it copied over to my computer, but I would say to get ahold of Marty at Quick Fuel and ask him about the tester as the article has no part number mentioned that I saw,and Marty is who they interviewed, for your info it is the March 2009 edition of Drag Racing Action, and it just hit the stand's here, it has a pic of Frank Manzo's alcohol funny car on the front. 
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Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link
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12/27/08 12:15 AM
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thanks for links Jim, there seems to be one station pretty close. I will have to go check it out. I may have to convert my carb or have it done.
Quick, I'm thinkin with no garantee of the certainty that E85 will always be here, I think in my case I'd pop for a new carb and keep my gas carb for an easy switch back. Thanks guys for the input and links. I know it can be a pain to keep repeating what you may have said a dozen times already, so I DO appreciate the info.
Another question that I have, is there an issue with oil contamination with the E85 like with alcohol? Would your gas ring gap still be "ideal" for the E85?
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Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link
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12/27/08 01:04 AM
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My oil gets a little, but nothing like methanol. I change oil at the same rate I did with gas
Ok, thanks guys. This swap is looking quite a bit like a no brainer. Definately has me thinking about it.
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Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link
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12/27/08 01:19 AM
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After asking questions here and doing the math I decided not to do it.
My motor is just 11.5:1 with good quench so I can get by mixing 3 gal. of 94 octane with 2 gal. of 110. When I figured in the 40% to 50% increased volume of E85 needed the savings were very little to non existant.
The added problems of it not being available at the track and inconsistant grades of E85 (E70 to E90 and anywhere in between)made me decide against the switch.
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Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link
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12/27/08 01:23 AM
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Ken, I sent my 1050 dom into Quick Fuel for them to change it over due to me not having the time and they did it for under $500 BUT I had alot of stuff that I wanted extra, like new bowls and main plate and you can see what it looked like in the pic above. I'm sure you can do your own with the links above, its been well worth the change
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Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link
[Re: fasteddie]
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12/27/08 02:04 AM
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After asking questions here and doing the math I decided not to do it.
My motor is just 11.5:1 with good quench so I can get by mixing 3 gal. of 94 octane with 2 gal. of 110. When I figured in the 40% to 50% increased volume of E85 needed the savings were very little to non existant.
The added problems of it not being available at the track and inconsistant grades of E85 (E70 to E90 and anywhere in between)made me decide against the switch.
Don't forget it's better for you to be around as well. I feel better dealing with the fumes from it than race fuel. Not to mention, you will make a little more power.
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Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link
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12/27/08 03:53 PM
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After asking questions here and doing the math I decided not to do it.
My motor is just 11.5:1 with good quench so I can get by mixing 3 gal. of 94 octane with 2 gal. of 110. When I figured in the 40% to 50% increased volume of E85 needed the savings were very little to non existant.
The added problems of it not being available at the track and inconsistant grades of E85 (E70 to E90 and anywhere in between)made me decide against the switch.
Don't forget it's better for you to be around as well. I feel better dealing with the fumes from it than race fuel. Not to mention, you will make a little more power.
If I ran straight race gas it would probably be worth changing over to E85.
If everyone in the staging lanes would change over I could see some benefit. But my one car on E85 among many others on gasoline would probably make little difference in the air quality. JMO
I spend a fair bit of time working on mine in the garage with it running, and riding around some where I notice the air quality more. Being at the track and folks seeing it work has lead to others switching over too. If enough people switch the tracks may start having it there leading to even more folks on it. I'm no tree hugger, but it would hurt my feeling not one bit if everyone ran it. In all seriousness a full day of engine dyno work with Methanol, or race fuel leaves me feeling bad from the fumes. An all day dyno with E 85 and I feel no worse than normal. Having it all over my hands changing jets and stuff has no effect on the way I feel either, where the others make my skin burn and feel weird after a while.
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Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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12/27/08 08:41 PM
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I went out and got that mag(Drag Racing Action) and was reading the article on E-85 and I see that they say its as corrosive as methanol... man are they trying to sell their corrosive protection... its no where near as corrosive as meth, no where near but it might let them sell a few extra carbs... LOL
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Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link
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12/27/08 09:16 PM
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I just found out today that there is finally an E85 pump within 15 minutes of my house!  It is $2.89 today. I was skeptical about running it when the original discussions mentioned not being able to run an aluminum fuel tank, needing special fuel pumps, regulators and fuel lines. Now it seems people are saying all the normal stuff is fine, just need a decent pump and an E85 carb. My car has 2 pumps, a Summit black and a Mallory Comp 250 so I'll probably use the Comp 250. Now I need to find a good deal on an E85 Dominator.
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Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link
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12/27/08 09:19 PM
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I just found out today that there is finally an E85 pump within 15 minutes of my house!
It is $2.89 today.
 I paid $1.23 here last week....
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Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link
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12/28/08 08:29 PM
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The ONLY thing that I see getting some abuse from it is the holley main bodys that must be made of smelted Chinese beer cans.
I am only guessing, but my 2-cents:
1) The Holley anodizing on the main body isn't protecting.
2) The aluminum may have a bunch of zinc in it for easy casting.
Zinc is very prone to corrosion, and maybe it does the same when alloyed into the casting aluminum.
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I am using an Aeromotive pump, rated for methanol and gasoline, so I can't help there. I was running a Barry Grant regulator, rated for gasoline only, and the elastomer seat deteriorated on E85. I don't know if it just gave out due to old age (7 yrs), or if it was the E85. Now I run a RobbMc regulator rated for alcohol and gasoline. My Fram HPG-1 filter is holding up just fine after 1-year on E85 (7 on gas before that).
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