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Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or links.
Posted By: StrokerPost
Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or links. - 12/26/08 04:08 AM
I know there have been several posts on this topic, but having not been here too much lately I'd like to hear whats involved with switching from 110 race gas in a 12:1 bracket motor to E-85. What are the concerns to be addressed? If you'd rather post links to past dicussions that would be alright too. Looking at any and all ways to cut operating costs to MAYBE not have to sell the Dart. $2 a gl vs $8 a gl would be a good start if its doable. Thanks for any input.
Ken.
PS...
MERRY CHRISTMAS 
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or links. - 12/26/08 04:36 AM
Ken... no one does that... just kiddin
If you have enough fuel pump to pump 30% more fuel
then the only factor would be the carb. I had mine
re done by Quick Fuels, this is a 1050 dom and they
were real close for everything but I did jet up 3
or 4 jets in it, idles great. There is
www.e85forum.comthey have alot of good info. I've been running it most of
this past season and love the price difference from
112 octane to the E-85. I have some minor tuning
to complete this coming season with timing, I'm
thinking about 5* more
Posted By: StrokerPost
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or links. - 12/26/08 05:01 AM
Hey Mike, how ya been? Thanks for the link, I'll have a look around over there. I did finally find a couple of older posts while searching here, but if this is something I decide to do I'll probably be buggin ya later. I see Jim (440jim) is pretty forthcoming with info as well, so I may bug him some too.
Thanks again buddy.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or links. - 12/26/08 05:07 AM
Jim actually did his carb but that was a 950 I believe
and now he's thinking a 1050 but I'm sure he/we can
help you out. It sure was a cost savings and it runs
much cooler
EDIT
here is a pic of mine when I got it back... preeetty
guess it didnt load... oh well
Posted By: HR3128
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or links. - 12/26/08 10:44 AM
The current "Drag Racing Action" magazine has a couple articles on running E-85.
Posted By: farmington
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or links. - 12/26/08 11:32 AM
Its a pity the E-85 isn't more rreadily available. Imagine the wicked street motors you could do sith it. I only know of 1 station near me that carries it.
Posted By: Quicktree
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or links. - 12/26/08 12:22 PM
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Its a pity the E-85 isn't more rreadily available. Imagine the wicked street motors you could do sith it. I only know of 1 station near me that carries it.
thats 1 more than we have around here.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or links. - 12/26/08 01:23 PM
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Its a pity the E-85 isn't more rreadily available. Imagine the wicked street motors you could do sith it. I only know of 1 station near me that carries it.
In my area there is 2 stations in 4 miles.... much
better than trying to find race fuel(1 place 19 miles away)
Meijers around here carries it
Posted By: challenger73400
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or links. - 12/26/08 01:38 PM
I'm also thinking of going E-85 but with it being mixed at the stations, is there any problem with getting a consistant mixture each time you buy? Different stations mix the same?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or links. - 12/26/08 01:59 PM
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I'm also thinking of going E-85 but with it being mixed at the stations, is there any problem with getting a consistant mixture each time you buy? Different stations mix the same?
That can be a issue up this way, they make winter
E-85 which can be as low as E-70 which is more
gas added to the E-85 for winter starting. But if
you buy it in mid summer and store it in 55 gal steel
drums its not a problem. What I do in the spring
months is ask for the drop sheets and calculate
the %. The way they do the stations is drop X amount
of alky and then drop X amount of gas in the same tank
and they show that on the drop sheets. This past
summer I seen a difference of 1% at Meijers and that
was 85% to 86%
Posted By: 440Jim
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/26/08 02:27 PM
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But if you buy it in mid summer and store it in 55 gal steel drums its not a problem. What I do in the spring
months is ask for the drop sheets and calculate the %
That is what I recommend for racing and higher compression ratios. I am running 13.5 CR with a long duration cam (279º/287º) and aluminum heads. In 2008 my drum was filled with 83%
http://www.e85forum.com/
http://members.tccoa.com/392bird/carbtech.htm
http://e85prices.com
http://www.e85fuel.com/index.php
http://www.e85carbs.com/
MrPbody's Dominator looks like what I need for my 511 CID... 
Posted By: Anonymous
Post deleted by Defbob - 12/26/08 05:08 PM
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/26/08 06:41 PM
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I think DTHemi changed the cuda over to E85. 
He did... with some VERY good numbers and serious
compression.
My compression is 14.1:1 and he was a failr bit higher
Posted By: Jacob Pitt
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/26/08 07:18 PM
How much more fuel are ya'll using compared to gasoline?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/26/08 07:21 PM
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How much more fuel are ya'll using compared to gasoline?
About 20%-30% more to equal the same pass as race fuel
Posted By: 440Jim
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/26/08 08:09 PM
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How much more fuel are ya'll using compared to gasoline?
I average 30% more fuel than race gasoline.
Posted By: Quicktree
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/26/08 08:44 PM
thanks for links Jim, there seems to be one station pretty close. I will have to go check it out. I may have to convert my carb or have it done.
Posted By: dartman366
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/26/08 09:01 PM
According to a article in the latest Drag racing action mag there is a tester offered by Quick Fuel that will test the Ethanol content of your fuel, might be somthing to look into and it look's to be a decent article,,,guess I need to sit down and do some reading.
now I need to try and find a station around these part's that sell's it.
Posted By: Quicktree
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/26/08 09:04 PM
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According to a article in the latest Drag racing action mag there is a tester offered by Quick Fuel that will test the Ethanol content of your fuel, might be somthing to look into and it look's to be a decent article,,,guess I need to sit down and do some reading. now I need to try and find a station around these part's that sell's it.
go the the e85 forum there will be a link that will show stations in your area.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/26/08 09:23 PM
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According to a article in the latest Drag racing action mag there is a tester offered by Quick Fuel that will test the Ethanol content of your fuel, might be somthing to look into and it look's to be a decent article,,,guess I need to sit down and do some reading. now I need to try and find a station around these part's that sell's it.
Bill do you have any info or P/N on that tester
or the article that you can post. I might have to see
if I can get that mag
Posted By: dartman366
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/26/08 09:37 PM
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According to a article in the latest Drag racing action mag there is a tester offered by Quick Fuel that will test the Ethanol content of your fuel, might be somthing to look into and it look's to be a decent article,,,guess I need to sit down and do some reading. now I need to try and find a station around these part's that sell's it.
Bill do you have any info or P/N on that tester
or the article that you can post. I might have to see
if I can get that mag
Mike I checked but the mag has no web site link to read it on line, and I have no way of getting it copied over to my computer, but I would say to get ahold of Marty at Quick Fuel and ask him about the tester as the article has no part number mentioned that I saw,and Marty is who they interviewed, for your info it is the March 2009 edition of Drag Racing Action, and it just hit the stand's here, it has a pic of Frank Manzo's alcohol funny car on the front.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/26/08 10:08 PM
Thanks for the info Bill
Posted By: J_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/27/08 01:44 AM
Do a search for "moparmanjames". He changed to e85 on the spur of the moment....like when he stopped to fill with race gas, saw the price of e85, and filled his jugs and headed for the track at thanksgiving. I think he's sold on it.
Posted By: dthemi
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/27/08 02:27 AM
I use e85 and really like it. I'm in Washington now and it's a little hard to find, and they do winter blending down to around E70 I think. I can't run 70 because I've got 15.9 static. 85 is about it for me, and compared to gas I use almost 80 percent more. I know the average is around 40, but if you can dump more in and burn it it'll make more power. My jetting changes with the same mix from perfect mine shaft air to hurricane depression baro dramatically. 8- 138 drill size alky jets to 8-175 drill jets in 2 1250 dominators is the range I've been in. I think the real problem is with 2 big carbs there isn't a great deal of carb signal, making it harder to jet. I haven't found a consistent A/F ratio that it makes best power at. In good air 12.8 works and in bad air 11.7 reading for gasoline. It does like a little more timing than gas. For me it was around 2 degrees more. From what I've seen with other motors on the dyno the less efficient the head the more timing it takes to see real improvements. Sometimes as much as 7 more degrees helped with lower compression average headed motors.
Posted By: StrokerPost
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/27/08 04:15 AM
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thanks for links Jim, there seems to be one station pretty close. I will have to go check it out. I may have to convert my carb or have it done.
Quick, I'm thinkin with no garantee of the certainty that E85 will always be here, I think in my case I'd pop for a new carb and keep my gas carb for an easy switch back. Thanks guys for the input and links. I know it can be a pain to keep repeating what you may have said a dozen times already, so I DO appreciate the info.
Another question that I have, is there an issue with oil contamination with the E85 like with alcohol? Would your gas ring gap still be "ideal" for the E85?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/27/08 04:26 AM
Another question that I have, is there an issue with oil contamination with the E85 like with alcohol? Would your gas ring gap still be "ideal" for the E85?
I see just a LITTLE oil contamination but if you
get it good and warm it pretty much dry's it out.
I changed the oil one time during the summer months
with about 40 passes on it, just to check.
I did the same as your thinking, I have my spare
gas dom sitting in the trailer just in case
Posted By: dthemi
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/27/08 04:55 AM
My oil gets a little, but nothing like methanol. I change oil at the same rate I did with gas
Posted By: StrokerPost
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/27/08 05:04 AM
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My oil gets a little, but nothing like methanol. I change oil at the same rate I did with gas
Ok, thanks guys. This swap is looking quite a bit like a no brainer. Definately has me thinking about it.
Posted By: fasteddie
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/27/08 05:19 AM
After asking questions here and doing the math I decided not to do it.
My motor is just 11.5:1 with good quench so I can get by mixing 3 gal. of 94 octane with 2 gal. of 110. When I figured in the 40% to 50% increased volume of E85 needed the savings were very little to non existant.
The added problems of it not being available at the track and inconsistant grades of E85 (E70 to E90 and anywhere in between)made me decide against the switch.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/27/08 05:23 AM
Ken, I sent my 1050 dom into Quick Fuel for them
to change it over due to me not having the time and
they did it for under $500 BUT I had alot of stuff
that I wanted extra, like new bowls and main plate
and you can see what it looked like in the pic above.
I'm sure you can do your own with the links above,
its been well worth the change
Posted By: dthemi
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/27/08 06:04 AM
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After asking questions here and doing the math I decided not to do it.
My motor is just 11.5:1 with good quench so I can get by mixing 3 gal. of 94 octane with 2 gal. of 110. When I figured in the 40% to 50% increased volume of E85 needed the savings were very little to non existant.
The added problems of it not being available at the track and inconsistant grades of E85 (E70 to E90 and anywhere in between)made me decide against the switch.
Don't forget it's better for you to be around as well. I feel better dealing with the fumes from it than race fuel. Not to mention, you will make a little more power.
Posted By: fasteddie
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/27/08 07:25 PM
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After asking questions here and doing the math I decided not to do it.
My motor is just 11.5:1 with good quench so I can get by mixing 3 gal. of 94 octane with 2 gal. of 110. When I figured in the 40% to 50% increased volume of E85 needed the savings were very little to non existant.
The added problems of it not being available at the track and inconsistant grades of E85 (E70 to E90 and anywhere in between)made me decide against the switch.
Don't forget it's better for you to be around as well. I feel better dealing with the fumes from it than race fuel. Not to mention, you will make a little more power.
If I ran straight race gas it would probably be worth changing over to E85.
If everyone in the staging lanes would change over I could see some benefit. But my one car on E85 among many others on gasoline would probably make little difference in the air quality. JMO
Posted By: dthemi
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/27/08 07:53 PM
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After asking questions here and doing the math I decided not to do it.
My motor is just 11.5:1 with good quench so I can get by mixing 3 gal. of 94 octane with 2 gal. of 110. When I figured in the 40% to 50% increased volume of E85 needed the savings were very little to non existant.
The added problems of it not being available at the track and inconsistant grades of E85 (E70 to E90 and anywhere in between)made me decide against the switch.
Don't forget it's better for you to be around as well. I feel better dealing with the fumes from it than race fuel. Not to mention, you will make a little more power.
If I ran straight race gas it would probably be worth changing over to E85.
If everyone in the staging lanes would change over I could see some benefit. But my one car on E85 among many others on gasoline would probably make little difference in the air quality. JMO
I spend a fair bit of time working on mine in the garage with it running, and riding around some where I notice the air quality more. Being at the track and folks seeing it work has lead to others switching over too. If enough people switch the tracks may start having it there leading to even more folks on it. I'm no tree hugger, but it would hurt my feeling not one bit if everyone ran it. In all seriousness a full day of engine dyno work with Methanol, or race fuel leaves me feeling bad from the fumes. An all day dyno with E 85 and I feel no worse than normal. Having it all over my hands changing jets and stuff has no effect on the way I feel either, where the others make my skin burn and feel weird after a while.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/28/08 12:41 AM
I went out and got that mag(Drag Racing Action)
and was reading the article on E-85 and I see that
they say its as corrosive as methanol... man are they
trying to sell their corrosive protection... its
no where near as corrosive as meth, no where near
but it might let them sell a few extra carbs... LOL
Posted By: ProSport
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/28/08 01:16 AM
I just found out today that there is finally an E85 pump within 15 minutes of my house!
It is $2.89 today. I was skeptical about running it when the original discussions mentioned not being able to run an aluminum fuel tank, needing special fuel pumps, regulators and fuel lines. Now it seems people are saying all the normal stuff is fine, just need a decent pump and an E85 carb. My car has 2 pumps, a Summit black and a Mallory Comp 250 so I'll probably use the Comp 250.
Now I need to find a good deal on an E85 Dominator.
Posted By: RyanJ
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/28/08 01:19 AM
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I just found out today that there is finally an E85 pump within 15 minutes of my house!
It is $2.89 today.
I paid $1.23 here last week....
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/28/08 01:30 AM
Yeah I seen it here today for 1.35 but I dont buy
it in the winter
Posted By: dthemi
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/28/08 02:41 AM
Yeah,,,saying E85 is as corrosive as methanol is in my experience completely without merit. The ONLY thing that I see getting some abuse from it is the holley main bodys that must be made of smelted Chinese beer cans. The bowls and metering blocks are perfect as is the rest of the system, but the bodys get this chalky pitting where fuel sits on them. Still nothing like methanol. I may go to a King deomon, or QF for better main body material.
Posted By: Hunted Duck
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/28/08 04:54 PM
Has anybody used the barry grant 280 pump? I got that and 8an line and mallory filter. It's a paper filter, I take it that the filter would need to be changed?
Posted By: 440Jim
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/29/08 12:29 AM
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The ONLY thing that I see getting some abuse from it is the holley main bodys that must be made of smelted Chinese beer cans.
I am only guessing, but my 2-cents:
1) The Holley anodizing on the main body isn't protecting.
2) The aluminum may have a bunch of zinc in it for easy casting.
Zinc is very prone to corrosion, and maybe it does the same when alloyed into the casting aluminum.
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I am using an Aeromotive pump, rated for methanol and gasoline, so I can't help there. I was running a Barry Grant regulator, rated for gasoline only, and the elastomer seat deteriorated on E85. I don't know if it just gave out due to old age (7 yrs), or if it was the E85. Now I run a RobbMc regulator rated for alcohol and gasoline. My Fram HPG-1 filter is holding up just fine after 1-year on E85 (7 on gas before that).
Posted By: 440Jim
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/29/08 03:16 AM
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According to a article in the latest Drag racing action mag there is a tester offered by Quick Fuel that will test the Ethanol content of your fuel, might be somthing to look into and it look's to be a decent article,,,guess I need to sit down and do some reading. now I need to try and find a station around these part's that sell's it.
Bill do you have any info or P/N on that tester
or the article that you can post. I might have to see
if I can get that mag
I have been happy with this method from the E85 handbook on the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition website:
http://www.e85fuel.com/pdf/storing-handling-e85.pdf
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Procedure for Testing Hydrocarbon Percent of Ethanol Fuel Samples
Based on SAE International Paper 912421 (Prepared by NEVC)
Equipment for E85 testing
VWR Scientific phone # 800-932-5000
50 mL pipettes; Cat. # 52966-217 pack of 12/$212.18
Safety Bulb; Cat. # 53497-202 pack of 3/$18.45
100 mL cylinders; Cat. # 24762-117 pack of 4/$120
Procedure
• Using the suction bulb, pipette exactly 50 mL of fuel sample into the graduated cylinder.
• Add about 48 mL of water to make the total liquid volume just less than 100 mL.
• Place the stopper in the cylinder and shake vigorously for about 15 seconds.
• Carefully loosen the stopper to release any accumulated pressure; do not remove the stopper.
• Close the stopper again and place the cylinder upright on a level surface. Allow the mixture to sit for about
15 minutes.
• Record the total volume of liquid by reading the lowest part of the upper meniscus (the curved interface
between the liquid and air).
• Record the total volume of the alcohol/water layer by reading the lowest part of the lower meniscus (the
curved interface between the two liquid layers).
Calculation
• The hydrocarbon percent is calculated by: 2.1 + 1.94 * (total volume - alcohol/water volume)
• Assuming the sample was an ethanol/hydrocarbon mixture, the ethanol percent is 100 minus the
hydrocarbon percent.
Example:
Upper 98 ml, lower 91 ml
2.1 + 1.94 x (98 - 91) = 15.68
ethanol = 100 - 15.68 = 84.3%
DOE Handbook 2008, Appexdix D, page 45.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/29/08 03:23 AM
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According to a article in the latest Drag racing action mag there is a tester offered by Quick Fuel that will test the Ethanol content of your fuel, might be somthing to look into and it look's to be a decent article,,,guess I need to sit down and do some reading. now I need to try and find a station around these part's that sell's it.
Bill do you have any info or P/N on that tester
or the article that you can post. I might have to see
if I can get that mag
I have been happy with this method from the E85 handbook on the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition website:
http://www.e85fuel.com/pdf/storing-handling-e85.pdf
Quote:
Procedure for Testing Hydrocarbon Percent of Ethanol Fuel Samples
Based on SAE International Paper 912421 (Prepared by NEVC)
Equipment for E85 testing
VWR Scientific phone # 800-932-5000
50 mL pipettes; Cat. # 52966-217 pack of 12/$212.18
Safety Bulb; Cat. # 53497-202 pack of 3/$18.45
100 mL cylinders; Cat. # 24762-117 pack of 4/$120
Procedure
• Using the suction bulb, pipette exactly 50 mL of fuel sample into the graduated cylinder.
• Add about 48 mL of water to make the total liquid volume just less than 100 mL.
• Place the stopper in the cylinder and shake vigorously for about 15 seconds.
• Carefully loosen the stopper to release any accumulated pressure; do not remove the stopper.
• Close the stopper again and place the cylinder upright on a level surface. Allow the mixture to sit for about
15 minutes.
• Record the total volume of liquid by reading the lowest part of the upper meniscus (the curved interface
between the liquid and air).
• Record the total volume of the alcohol/water layer by reading the lowest part of the lower meniscus (the
curved interface between the two liquid layers).
Calculation
• The hydrocarbon percent is calculated by: 2.1 + 1.94 * (total volume - alcohol/water volume)
• Assuming the sample was an ethanol/hydrocarbon mixture, the ethanol percent is 100 minus the
hydrocarbon percent.
Example:
Upper 98 ml, lower 91 ml
2.1 + 1.94 x (98 - 91) = 15.68
ethanol = 100 - 15.68 = 84.3%
DOE Handbook 2008, Appexdix D, page 45.
Jim, thats the same as I use to do when I was working,
same procedure. I was wondering if they came out
with some thing new
Posted By: 493_Scamp
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/29/08 03:37 AM
My Mallory pump locked up after E85 use,but I bought it used about 4 years ago,and it didnt act right when I pumped the cell dry for the switch over. I assumed my Battery was low, after runnung the last race and sitting a few weeks It wont even turn. Mallory has alcohol gasket rebuild kits for the pumps and regulators and offers a rebuild service.I think the paper filters may be prone to failures as well so I deliberately left it fueled as a test.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/29/08 03:44 AM
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My Mallory pump locked up after E85 use,but I bought it used about 4 years ago,and it didnt act right when I pumped the cell dry for the switch over. I assumed my Battery was low, after runnung the last race and sitting a few weeks It wont even turn. Mallory has alcohol gasket rebuild kits for the pumps and regulators and offers a rebuild service.I think the paper filters may be prone to failures as well so I deliberately left it fueled as a test.
I'm running a pair of Holley black 150's and so far
they've been fine
Posted By: StrokerPost
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/31/08 01:06 AM
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I just found out today that there is finally an E85 pump within 15 minutes of my house!
It is $2.89 today.
I paid $1.23 here last week....
Its amazing and confusing why there is such a difference in price around the country. I checked on it while I was out today, its $2.49 gal here. I thought it had kinda been keeping pace with gas, but I guess not. For those paying $1.23 what is reg unleaded, and those paying $2.89, whats reg there? Reg here is $1.34.
Posted By: ProSport
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/31/08 03:13 AM
Anyway you look at it, it still beats the snot out of paying $7.50 a gallon for Cam2.
It's just the initial hurdle of buying a new E85 carb, fuel pump and regulator. Or having these pieces modified.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/31/08 03:28 AM
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I just found out today that there is finally an E85 pump within 15 minutes of my house!
It is $2.89 today.
I paid $1.23 here last week....
Its amazing and confusing why there is such a difference in price around the country. I checked on it while I was out today, its $2.49 gal here. I thought it had kinda been keeping pace with gas, but I guess not. For those paying $1.23 what is reg unleaded, and those paying $2.89, whats reg there? Reg here is $1.34.
At 2.89 thats real pricey, around here its about
1.65 for E-85 and about 1.50 for regular. If your
pump can handle the increase in volume by 30% all
you would need to do is the carb. I have a spare
1050 that if I ran out of E-85 I can switch the carb
and be running on race gas(buy it at the track) and
be running in 5 minutes by just changing the carb
and backing the timing down a few degrees and be
running the same times(what I've seen so far)
Posted By: dthemi
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/31/08 03:44 AM
hey P body, I can't remember did you pick up some when you switched?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/31/08 04:09 AM
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hey P body, I can't remember did you pick up some when you switched?
Actually I stayed the same BUT I didnt touch the
timing yet, I was going to start bumping it up
but I put the car away early this year. I do mean
it stayed the same within .01, best before was 9.08
and with the E-85 it was 9.09 3 passes in a row
Posted By: ProSport
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/31/08 05:15 PM
Here's another question, there's alot of deals out there right now on alcohol carbs. What's it take to run E85 with an alcohol carb?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/31/08 05:20 PM
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Here's another question, there's alot of deals out there right now on alcohol carbs. What's it take to run E85 with an alcohol carb?
Well its starting out with the good parts but I
would think you would still be working it over just
the same as going from gas to E-85 when it comes
to the passages and jetting but that MIGHT be a
good way to start if it isnt all corroded
Posted By: ProSport
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 12/31/08 08:58 PM
Maybe I'll call Quickfuel and see what the difference is between their E85 and alcohol carbs.
They have a 1050cfm 4150 alcohol carb for a half way decent price.
Quickfuel
Posted By: 440Jim
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 01/01/09 03:05 AM
I am no expert on carb design, but the gas carb should be closer to start with than a methanol (alky) carb. Remember if gas is 100%, E85 is about 135%, and methanol is around 200%. So the boosters and passages in the metering blocks will be too large and slow the fuel down in an alky carb running E85 (if you can choke down the total fuel flow).
Things like the main well dia, cross channel passage dia, booster fuel flow channel dia, etc.
I have been talking with guys on e85forum about my 950 carb boosters. On gas they are 0.156", an alky setup might be around 0.190", I am having a shop put 0.170" boosters in for 2009.
Posted By: ProSport
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 01/01/09 07:34 PM
Oh ok, I thought I'd read here several times that alcohol carbs were pretty close to an E85 carb.
I think the best bet is an E85 carb from someone like Quickfuel.
I'm just worried about getting a batch of E70 instead of E85 from the pump.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 01/01/09 07:47 PM
Quote:
Oh ok, I thought I'd read here several times that alcohol carbs were pretty close to an E85 carb.
I think the best bet is an E85 carb from someone like Quickfuel.
I'm just worried about getting a batch of E70 instead of E85 from the pump.
This is something that we all look at, but if you
check the drop sheets before you buy your fuel you
would have a pretty decent idea what your getting.
Of course you check it and if its what you want then
buy it in quanity(drums) instead of just a tank at a
time. Check with Quick Fuel like you said about the
differences between the 2 style carbs
Posted By: rt66jim
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 01/01/09 08:03 PM
Jim, I have been following the discussion on the E85 forum. It seems to me that Drag Chevette has a pretty firm grasp of what needs to be modified to make a carb work on E85. Would that be your opinion as well? I'm considering having him modify my 950 is the reason I ask. Jim
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 01/01/09 08:14 PM
Quote:
Jim, I have been following the discussion on the E85 forum. It seems to me that Drag Chevette has a pretty firm grasp of what needs to be modified to make a carb work on E85. Would that be your opinion as well? I'm considering having him modify my 950 is the reason I ask. Jim
Yes I believe he has about as much info as anyone
and he did a fair amount of testing to get where he is.
I would let him or just use his info and do it yourself
Posted By: rt66jim
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 01/02/09 12:30 AM
Mike I'm just not comfortable trying to do it myself. I'd sure hate to mess up a few hundred $$ worth of parts. When that would get it done by someone who knows what they are doing. Jim
Posted By: Von
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 01/02/09 02:13 AM
Quote:
Jim, I have been following the discussion on the E85 forum. It seems to me that Drag Chevette has a pretty firm grasp of what needs to be modified to make a carb work on E85. Would that be your opinion as well? I'm considering having him modify my 950 is the reason I ask. Jim
Ive been talking to Drag Chevette also. He sure seems to know what he is talking about. I think I'll have him convert my carb, especially if the new station being built carries E-85.
Posted By: 440Jim
Re: Converting your bracket car to E-85, dicuss or link - 01/02/09 02:23 AM
I trust him to do the work.
There are a bunch of reputable carb shops that can do E85 carbs now. Talk to them and pick who you want (including Drag Chevette - Mark).
With anyone, tune the carb after you get it for optimum performance.
Jim