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Re: Advice for heads.
[Re: correctdirection]
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02/09/15 11:02 AM
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Before you start spending money its time to start eliminating other possibilities ... hows the fuel system.. does the pressure hold and does it have enough flow(do the fill the gal bucket test) 
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Re: Advice for heads.
[Re: 1DGEMAN]
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02/09/15 07:03 PM
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The point I was trying to make is the car should be quicker. It is a common mistake to think you need more HP when you need to refine what you have. Either his tune up is way off or his chassis or drive train is inefficient. Cab we raced together in the old days. I was there when you got tossed for sanblasted ports in your Hemi stocker. I have never had more than 15k invested in one of my cars and have set numerous records in Stock. 
hello, figures most guys that cheat, are not fast!! they spend lots of money to try go faster. you're right about cost on a older stocker. thanks.
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Re: Advice for heads.
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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02/09/15 07:10 PM
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I'd think a cam with as much lift as the one listed in the OP would want some RPM in order to work correctly. With a 29.5" tire, and 4.10 gears, I'd think a gear change is in order. If you have an 8 3/4 rear, borrow a set from your buddies and give it a shot. Converter could be hurting you too. What kind of car and what weight are we talking? I did not see it in the OP. WHat's the 60'? Ultimately, most heavy cars need to get going quickly in order to ET well. Think about the earlier-mentioned stockers. They run 4.88 or 5.13 gears...or more. They 60' very well, and typically will run a much better ET/MPH than a bracket car would. (Much slower MPH for the ET they run) They're typically very well sorted, and will RPM much higher than a bracket racer would want. The additional gear needed to get you the ET numbers you want may also play havoc on consistency. (What you gain in ET...you lose in potential-tire-spin, possibly losing you the race.) Remember that in bracket racing, the less the combination changes, the more information you have on your combination. All of this information, if logged correctly, and referenced often, is what winning bracket racers use as their bible...or so i was told: )
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Re: Advice for heads.
[Re: 1DGEMAN]
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02/09/15 07:13 PM
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Cab we raced together in the old days. I was there when you got tossed for sanblasted ports in your Hemi stocker.
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Re: Advice for heads.
[Re: BradH]
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02/09/15 07:51 PM
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Cab we raced together in the old days. I was there when you got tossed for sanblasted ports in your Hemi stocker.
Thats not cheating... he just got caught .. LOL...
IMO all the stockers are playing some kind of game
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Re: Advice for heads.
[Re: 1DGEMAN]
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02/09/15 10:01 PM
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The point I was trying to make is the car should be quicker. It is a common mistake to think you need more HP when you need to refine what you have. Either his tune up is way off or his chassis or drive train is inefficient. Cab we raced together in the old days. I was there when you got tossed for sanblasted ports in your Hemi stocker. I have never had more than 15k invested in one of my cars and have set numerous records in Stock.
Dude, that was a long time ago  I think that was 1974 or 1975, which year do you remember it as? We both must be older now than then  You know what I've heard is if you live long enough you will get old   I got tossed at that race, the only time I or anybody else I was associated with on any NHRA class race cars, was for having the intake manifold bead blasted on the inside  I had built that car in three months and knew I needed to change that intake manifold and new car bugs got to me bad enough that I forgot until I was in the barn for tear down and at the intake and carb. bench and the NHRA tech, siad "Man, that is really pretty job on the bead blasting   I would have been tossed at that race anyways do to having the worng carb. part numbers on that motor, it had a set of 1968 Hemi automatic carbs instead of the 1970/71 street stick shift carbs on that 1970 Hemi Cuda. NHRA had change the carb. rules and I misundersood that rule, you could ues later carbs. on a early motor but not the opposite  No early carbs on later model motors 
BTW, which class and car where you with? I did end up winning J/S several years later and got through tear down like we did with Steve and Linda Myers Pink Panther 1968 Hemi GTX in either 1973 or 1974, CRS I agree on gremlins and problems on race cars, they're are a lot of them Another thing a lot of racers forget is someone elses cars performance at a different track some where else in the country can't(shouldn't be) be compared to your car unless your there that day running in the same session  
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Re: Advice for heads.
[Re: GTX MATT]
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02/10/15 02:35 AM
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Fuel pressure and volume is not an issue. I got that sorted out last season. Aeromotive pump fed by a -10 line and -8 line from pump to regulator with a return line to cell. Pump fills gallon in 17 seconds. Fuel pressure gauge does not move. EGT is in low to mid 1400. Car sixty fts 1.44-1.46 depending on track.1/8 mile 6.93-6.96 @97mph. Running cal tracs. I looked at wrong page in log book. 120 mph trap speed. Could be converter I suppose. Top end of drive is just dead. Got a little better with new pump. The guy that flowed the heads figures I would gain 75-100 horse to get flow over 300. Was just wondering what others have done in this position.
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Re: Advice for heads.
[Re: correctdirection]
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02/10/15 03:58 AM
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Fuel pressure and volume is not an issue. I got that sorted out last season. Aeromotive pump fed by a -10 line and -8 line from pump to regulator with a return line to cell. Pump fills gallon in 17 seconds. Fuel pressure gauge does not move. EGT is in low to mid 1400. Car sixty fts 1.44-1.46 depending on track.1/8 mile 6.93-6.96 @97mph. Running cal tracs. I looked at wrong page in log book. 120 mph trap speed. Could be converter I suppose. Top end of drive is just dead. Got a little better with new pump. The guy that flowed the heads figures I would gain 75-100 horse to get flow over 300. Was just wondering what others have done in this position.
what cam specs ? is it the bullet roller
also, for the heck of it--go to wallaceracing.com , and enter your times, etc, into their converter slip calculator.
my dart picked up THREE tenths with a converter swap. the old one was at 12 % .
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