Re: whats a better car to build for handling b or a body?
[Re: bigblockbryan]
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Oh goodness...that oughta open up a can of worms! There's a slew of upper control arms to give you more caster/camber adjustments, sway bars, springs/4-links, aftermarket steering boxes/upgrades. It really comes down to what you want/have to spend. As for the second half of that question- aside from saving some weight, you're going to be buying the same parts for an A-body that you would for the B-body. Looking at the thread on car weight bias, on average they all seem to be about 55/45 front to rear, so no real advantage there. Can you afford to build 2 cars? Might be worth doing an A-body for corner carving if you can. Money's tight? Take advantage of other's knowledge ahead of you. Pay particular attention to ones like AlexP's build in this section. Keep your eyes peeled for the deals and build away!
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Re: whats a better car to build for handling b or a body?
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Though I'D run a B-body, its hard not to say A-body. The answer is A-body. Though, tire size limitation is a factor. The B's... some ov them anyways can eat up a lot more tire than an A-body. Though... as i type that i think about 72Swinger's car... He's certainly got enough meat... so again, yeah, its hard not to say A-body.
Between the tire size thing, the appearance thing (71 Demons look good, but not 71RR/69RR/68-9 Charger good...), and the width (wider track)... i'll still take the B-body. I'm a weight-reduction master anyways.
well thanks for the compliment Pale lol! They all can be made to handle exceptional really. It all comes down to grip and balance IMO. A BB B body will out handle a BB A body 9 out of 10 times, even in stock form. A B body with an aluminium SB and 315's at all 4 corners would be a serious handler, just wonder why nobody seems to try that big of tire.
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Re: whats a better car to build for handling b or a body?
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A B body with an aluminium SB and 315's at all 4 corners would be a serious handler, just wonder why nobody seems to try that big of tire.
The rear would be easy, but the front would take some work.
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Re: whats a better car to build for handling b or a body?
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Late B's have inner fenders in the front that unbolt. now, while they're part of the frame, you could offset that with a roll cage-style front structure. man you could fit some tires then I'd agree with B body, just because of track width alone. Forget the aluminum smallblock. Here's two interesting possibilities. Indy now makes an aluminum B block (i.e. 383/400). Man I want one of those. Or an aluminum 225, set back as far as possible ahh... if only I were rich Check out this B body 4 door autox setup, with tire test https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfVC2qOJ_lU
Looking for 1975 through 1978 B body 4 door sedan sheet metal or parts cars - monaco, fury, coronet. Please let me know
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Re: whats a better car to build for handling b or a body?
[Re: bigblockbryan]
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i am curious about building my super bee clone for a little better handling then stock like as good as like a 80s-90s muscle car my car currently is shell its mini tubbed with frame connectors. Is there any thing i can do budget wise to improve its handling or would it be cheaper to get lets say 67-9 barracuda or a demon.I am just curious about this
Based on the bolded sections above, no reason to search out an A body since you already have something to start with. A little bit better is not hard to do, and a little bit doesn't have to cost a lot. Since you already have sub frame connectors, next thing to do would be step up the spring rates and step up the shock rates. This will make things a little bit better for not a lot of dough. $300 for T-bars, $200 for leaf springs, $400 for shocks. That's the basic foundation you need. Combine it with a more modern, radial friendly alignment (ask for an '05 Mustang at the shop) and your '68 will now handle more like a '90 Mustang. There are a lot of others things you can spend money on after that to further refine its manners, but that is the most basic starting point.
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Re: whats a better car to build for handling b or a body?
[Re: bigblockbryan]
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01/22/15 08:37 PM
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One thing I don't see mentioned yet, with an A body, you can be a lot more aggressive with the mods with little concern with reversibility, as the car is also likely a bit less desirable and/or collectible.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: whats a better car to build for handling b or a body?
[Re: jcc]
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One thing I don't see mentioned yet, with an A body, you can be a lot more aggressive with the mods with little concern with reversibility, as the car is also likely a bit less desirable and/or collectible.
On the flip side, he's already stated it's a "clone," so less of a concern regarding affecting the value.
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Re: whats a better car to build for handling b or a body?
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01/23/15 12:57 AM
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I had 315s up front and 335 in the rear of my Dakota for awhile. Not advisable on the street. Tires wanted to find their own way down the road, crowns, ruts, etc made the truck wander, steering felt loose, broken, unpredictable, yet responsive at the same time. It was unnerving at times.
Might not be a problem in a flat parking lot auto cross or road course environment though
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Re: whats a better car to build for handling b or a body?
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It fits a small block, and I run 285 Fronts and 305 Rears, so it's not too bad....
What did you have to do to get the 285 to fit? If you have a thread with the details, please point the way.
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