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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
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P5153816AB
The price I got on 10/26/14 -
927.00 + 16.95 shipping (?)for a total of $943.95
Monicatti Dodge or K & S performance, Kevin 248 439 0261
https://www.monicattichrysler.com
That's 10% off MSRP.
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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
[Re: 72Swinger]
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what is wrong with the vvt blocks?
Nothing if your name is Steff lol!
LOL! 
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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
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I will hold out to see what mopar-wholesale sells them for but i'm going to get one. Ever since 340Rick posted pictures of his pistons, I wanted to build another one. Ill save the Apache heads for the next build
Yes, mine is now 4.09 but I have some cylindet walls under .1
I don't think you can compare the sonic #s with the old standard.
Most of the production blocks are thin but hold up very well. I think it may be the high nickel content of the new blocks 
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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
[Re: STEFF]
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what is wrong with the vvt blocks?
Nothing if your name is Steff lol!
LOL!
at least reading some of these comments I now know why you were driven to fab up that belt drive! 
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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
[Re: J_BODY]
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So are these new 6.1 blocks VVT?
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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
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So are these new 6.1 blocks VVT?
no
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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
[Re: gregsdart]
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01/15/15 01:44 PM
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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
[Re: gregsdart]
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01/15/15 03:28 PM
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So are these new 6.1 blocks VVT?
no
In that case I may look into getting one myself and just use this 5.7 block I have for mock up in the car.
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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
[Re: sixpackgut]
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947 from mopar-wholesale
http://www.factorymoparparts.net/oe-mopar/p5153816ab?search_str=P5153816AB
I wonder if I can still get 25% off being a Chrysler
employee/retiree... I use to over at Monticotti
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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
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This is great news!! These new 6.1 blocks will render the 6.4 VVT blocks worthless to the aftermarket and I can buy them for pennies on the dollar!!
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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
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what I'm wondering is, how thick are the cylinder bores in the 5.7 blocks? is there any difference between the 6.1 and 5.7 at all?
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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
[Re: sixpackgut]
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"IF" I were buying $920..... $1030 list. Shows 12 on backorder and no promised release date at the dealer level.
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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
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what I'm wondering is, how thick are the cylinder bores in the 5.7 blocks? is there any difference between the 6.1 and 5.7 at all?
Some have said the early 5.7's could go to 4.00 bore pretty easy. The 6.1 ALL had 6.1 cast in the skirt by the pan rail and they ALL had oil jets installed. If you are wondering about wall thickness, I wouldn't be surprised if they are similar.
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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
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"IF" I were buying $920..... $1030 list. Shows 12 on backorder and no promised release date at the dealer level.
So I guess if you want this guys you need to generate some more back orders.
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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
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"IF" I were buying $920..... $1030 list. Shows 12 on backorder and no promised release date at the dealer level.
So I guess if you want this guys you need to generate some more back orders.
That's what I'm sayin! I was a little too late on the 2nd R3 I tried to order.
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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
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The early 5.7's were never designed for anything more then what they did and as soon as they started going over 400 hp the cylinders would not stay round. That's part of the reason SRT came out with the 6.1's so they could design in reinforcements inside the casting to increase the structural integrity that was needed for the increase in horsepower.
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The early 5.7's were never designed for anything more then what they did and as soon as they started going over 400 hp the cylinders would not stay round. That's part of the reason SRT came out with the 6.1's so they could design in reinforcements inside the casting to increase the structural integrity that was needed for the increase in horsepower.
tell him to make us small block guys some blocks then 
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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
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The early 5.7's were never designed for anything more then what they did and as soon as they started going over 400 hp the cylinders would not stay round. That's part of the reason SRT came out with the 6.1's so they could design in reinforcements inside the casting to increase the structural integrity that was needed for the increase in horsepower.
I don't know about that, the early 5.7's (03-05) are supposed to be the beefiest of the early blocks and plenty of them well over 600 HP and I've never heard of a cylinder wall distortion issue, especially at 400 HP, which is pretty low. As a matter of fact the 5.7 is supposed to have beefier cylinder walls than a 6.1 as a general rule. The 6.1 was designed on its own merit and not because of a "problem" with the 5.7, I'd even guess the 6.1 was designed almost side by side with the 5.7 at the onset of Gen III HEMI design (2000 ish?)
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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
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The early 5.7's were never designed for anything more then what they did and as soon as they started going over 400 hp the cylinders would not stay round. That's part of the reason SRT came out with the 6.1's so they could design in reinforcements inside the casting to increase the structural integrity that was needed for the increase in horsepower.
I don't know about that, the early 5.7's (03-05) are supposed to be the beefiest of the early blocks and plenty of them well over 600 HP and I've never heard of a cylinder wall distortion issue, especially at 400 HP, which is pretty low. As a matter of fact the 5.7 is supposed to have beefier cylinder walls than a 6.1 as a general rule. The 6.1 was designed on its own merit and not because of a "problem" with the 5.7, I'd even guess the 6.1 was designed almost side by side with the 5.7 at the onset of Gen III HEMI design (2000 ish?)
Now a 6.1 block with a 5.7 bore that would be feasible. And have plenty of meat
Matt
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Re: 6.1 blocks are coming,,,,,,,,,,,
[Re: MattW]
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I've never seen anything happen to a block in either format.
I've seen really bad machine work kill a 426 and I've seen stock block 5.7's go low 11's in a 4000+ car.
All of these block issues are nothing billet mains and a 1/3 fill wont fix. It's been done and it works.
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