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Monte Smith ?
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Monte do you know what brand name the wide band O2 sensor is Holley sends out in the Dominator EFI kit.. I need to know so I can plug that in for the down load info... all it says on it is Holley thanks 
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Re: Monte Smith ?
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12/20/14 11:16 PM
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Pretty sure its a BOSCH not the NTK. I wondered the same thing. J.Rob
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Re: Monte Smith ?
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Pretty sure its a BOSCH not the NTK. I wondered the same thing. J.Rob
I think it is also but I want to make sure so I dont
fry it... thanks
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Re: Monte Smith ?
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12/20/14 11:44 PM
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if its can on the end of the sensor with holes in it its a NTK and would cost around 450.00 if it has a ball on the end its a bosche and cost around 150.00
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Re: Monte Smith ?
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12/21/14 12:29 AM
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Thanks... by the way you can get the Bosch wide band sensor for $69. .. I bought one a short time back for my A/F meter.. if I remember right it was at NAPA
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Re: Monte Smith ?
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12/21/14 02:12 AM
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at advance auto the bosch 17014 is $57 - 20% online discount plus a $10 rebate. net cost $36
i run 8 of em on the dyno and 2 in the car.
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Re: Monte Smith ?
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at advance auto the bosch 17014 is $57 - 20% online discount plus a $10 rebate. net cost $36
i run 8 of em on the dyno and 2 in the car.
Joe
Thanks I'll write that down
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Re: Monte Smith ?
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12/21/14 03:06 AM
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I don't use them, I still read plugs 
This EFI reads it
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Re: Monte Smith ?
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I don't use them, I still read plugs
This EFI reads it
I have a motec unit in one of my cars but no O2. Oh that's right I tune it I don't run it in closed loop. got it. 
I have my choice of open or closed.. it HAS to have
something entered in the down load
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Re: Monte Smith ?
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I have a motec unit in one of my cars but no O2. Oh that's right I tune it I don't run it in closed loop. got it.
What about on the dyno? No A/F ratio there either? Individual runner temps???
and my outlaw 10.5 car is mechanical fuel injected. If its not about fuel economy the 02 will never tell the whole truth. EGT's are good to see if all cylinders have the same temp in the pipe but to many variables there to....timing versus fuel.
I will say the 02 is the easy way to tune to get you close but there is still no substitue for max power in a drag car for pulling plugs.
I will come up with another program for the track
which wont use the O2.. but for the fire up it will
use the O2 and for the street... this is trying to
drive to stoich all the time.. so for power I'll come
up with a different program to load
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Re: Monte Smith ?
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12/21/14 04:16 PM
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We run our 738 on 4 dry kits in closed loop and let the box do it's job and correct. Been told and told that won't work and the car will be faster open loop on the tune itself........WRONG. Ran it both ways, makes no difference. No possible reason NOT to run a gas car closed loop. You are going to pay the money for EFI.....why not let it DO its job
Monte
Good to know... I found out that the O2 sensor is
a Bosch unit so that takes care of that part...
one other thing Monte... when down loading the global
base program I see for it shows for the GM small cap
and I'm gonna try that but will it matter for the
base set up.. my engine falls within most of the
parameters, mine has a bit more duration but I think
it'll learn from the base
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Re: Monte Smith ?
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12/21/14 05:56 PM
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I have a motec unit in one of my cars but no O2. Oh that's right I tune it I don't run it in closed loop. got it.
What about on the dyno? No A/F ratio there either? Individual runner temps???
and my outlaw 10.5 car is mechanical fuel injected. If its not about fuel economy the 02 will never tell the whole truth. EGT's are good to see if all cylinders have the same temp in the pipe but to many variables there to....timing versus fuel.
I will say the 02 is the easy way to tune to get you close but there is still no substitue for max power in a drag car for pulling plugs.
I don't understand why you don't like A/F numbers??? Thing is, most people WRONGLY assume that if you tune for a certain A/F number you'll make max hp....A/F numbers are EXACTLY like oil pressure numbers, tire pressure numbers and even a tach in that they DO NOT tell you what A/F you should run, or what oil pressure you need, or what tire pressure to run or where to shift...they are just numbers and the user has to be smart enough to know what numbers to shoot for... 
IMHO, spark plugs and A/F numbers are no substitute for max power in a drag car for time slip incrementals, because at the end of the day, as long as it's not detonating, that's ALL that matters... 
Now, having said that, once you tune for and find out what A/F your motor wants for max HP, it's easy to get there in different DA's while using A/F numbers...
If you can't handle the truth, you're living a lie.......
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Re: Monte Smith ?
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I understand what your saying.. If you find out what the car runs the fastest THEN you take the reading so its easy to get back to that A/F reading.. we have found that a engine runs the best(for power) somewhere around 12.5-13.0(but not always) so the O2 doesnt know where the peak is at
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