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Re: 440 source stuff
[Re: Stanton]
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11/14/14 06:46 PM
11/14/14 06:46 PM
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What oil pan did he have? I bought the 6qt hemi pan and haven't had any leaks on mine.
Here U go..
There was a hairline crack in the welded seam..
Just my $0.02..
I've heard of similar problems with Milodons so I wouldn't consider this a show stopper. Honestly, I believe all oil pans come from the same place - there's no way a company could justify the cost of dies to stamp out Mopar oil pans. My guess would be Milodon makes the pans and sells to 440Source, Summit, etc who "rebrand" the pan. Likewise with the windage trays.
440Source stuff I've had/have:
distributor - sold to someone who needed it urgently
water pump - hogged out the passage but got a smokin deal on a MP piece - sold the 440Source piece
heads - sold - decided the stroker needed more flow, bought Indys
fabbed timing cover - sold - crank seal hole was offset once installed. Probably wouldn't have been an issue but I wasn't satisfied.
valley tray and holddowns - sold - didn't need them after sellin the heads
alternator and bracket kit - on the motor. This is an Andy F. kit FWIW
serpentine pulleys and belt - on the motor - very nice pieces
fluid damper - on the motor
rear oil seal kit - on the motor
complete stroker kit - in the motor
Noted your experiences..
Since we travel to China frequently sourcing consumer electronics for certain major clients, we understand the Chinese culture and manufacturing system very well. Note that we are responsible for purchasing in excess of $100 million of merchandise @ FOB level. Also we have visited China and their factories over 35 times...
The basic problem is monitoring the tooling and raw material sourcing process, plus auditing the mass-production process. If U don't have someone on site it is a crapshoot. Plus U have to conduct in-depth outgoing product quality inspection using AQL standards.
Many companies source from China through a broker agent and again who knows if they are paid off or not. We have known 440Source and some of their principals for over 10 years, and could disclose multiple stories about them....
Suffice to say if U are building a high performance engine, don't cut corners use established quality brands of equipment..
If not, as pappy says...
The lowest price is not always the best deal...
Just my $0.02... 
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Re: 440 source stuff
[Re: TOMRR]
#1698519
11/14/14 08:21 PM
11/14/14 08:21 PM
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LEE, MASS
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Got a water pump from them, JUNK !!!! HP440 Over Heated !! Got a Mopar performance problem solved
And by the way when I called them about it their attitude was to bad!!!
Will Never Use Them Ever Again !!!!! 
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Re: 440 source stuff
[Re: Sinitro]
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11/14/14 09:06 PM
11/14/14 09:06 PM
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Suffice to say if U are building a high performance engine, don't cut corners use established quality brands of equipment..
If not, as pappy says...
The lowest price is not always the best deal...
Thank-You...
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Re: 440 source stuff
[Re: Stanton]
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11/17/14 10:40 PM
11/17/14 10:40 PM
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gulfport, ms, west mi
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Seems to be a lot of 440 source water pump problems out there but I haven't had a problem. I bought a complete rotating assembly for a 505 stroker, water pump and housing, timing set and oil pan. Haven't had a problem with anything except the oil pan, pulled the wheels a little to high , when it cam down it shortened the pan about a inch causing the sides to split, Did the same for the Milodon before that. also did it to the pan I fabricated after those but my pan didn't leak. I have 100's of 1/4 mile passes with no mechanical problems and if I did I would buy from them again. High price is not always good. My buddy had his engine built with the best, all ARP fasteners, JE pistons, Oliver rods etc. Rod came out after 8 runs, was it the engine builder? the Oliver rod? or the ARP big end rod bolt?  
it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead
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Re: 440 source stuff
[Re: 68KillerBee]
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11/18/14 05:59 AM
11/18/14 05:59 AM
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Bend,OR USA
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I think I remember most of the early complaints on 440 Source parts on here where from other vendors who, probally, never bought or used or seen any of Brandon(the owner of 440 source) parts   I ran into the same thing(being bashed by vendors who posted on here on how good there non Chinese parts where) back in the early 2000s when I posted about using Ohio Crankshaft Company forged steel stroker crankshafts being good shruggy: The bad thing on the haters parts(Eagles, K1, Scat and others) where they where Chinese made forging and finished here in the U.S. and then advertised as U.S. made I did buy a bunch of CAT parts when they first came out, some of them worked okay and some fail right away on racing applications  I try not to use street parts on race motors anymore,that is part of paying your dues and getting educated Not all of us are born smart and know everything about racing and race parts from birth with no personel expereinces  Regardless what some people claim  I've had some very good mahinest in SO CA look at 4 different sets of forged steel H beam rods rods I had(back in the late 1990s) one set of CAT, one set of Eagles, one set of RPM and one set of of Carrillo with L19 bolts. One long time machinest spotted the Carillos right away but didn't reconignze(SP?) any of the others, when I ask him how he knew which set(none of them had any markings on them ) the Carrillos where his explanation was that all the Carrillo rods where double shot peened back then, the others weren't I've had failures from many different good vendors, no one out there makes perfect parts 100 % of the time Racing is hard on parts     Nuff said, goodnight 
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: 440 source stuff
[Re: Cab_Burge]
#1698528
11/18/14 08:53 AM
11/18/14 08:53 AM
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Marysville, O-H-I-O
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First hand knowledge...
my machine shop said their kit was perfect right out of the box, didn't need any machine work to fix anything. I literally had the assembly balanced, and then put it together.
I saw a friend use their aluminum roller rockers. They failed within a couple thousand miles. I would NOT use any of their valve train gear.
how's that compare to a Made in the US brand like Edelbrock? I've used 3 sets of RPM heads. one big block set, was great out of the box. first set of small block had such bad intake valve jobs, I could see daylight through the seat when the valve was "closed" had to spend $130 to have all the seats fixed. Second set of small block heads, my machine shop said looked great, had no issues.
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Re: 440 source stuff
[Re: mike s]
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11/19/14 02:38 AM
11/19/14 02:38 AM
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San Angelo, Texas, U.S.A.
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I have used source stuff and so far so good.I do check all the parts carefully.I would not use any of the valve train parts that come on the assembled heads but other than that I have no issues.
 As far as whether or not they'll compare to the flow numbers and potential of Indy heads, I think Indy will always come out on top.
I've read a lot of rants on this board about the stroker kits, but I don't know of any cases of catastrophic failure. However, if you go that route, you should definitely get them checked out by a good machinist before building.
If you decide to go with a 440 Source stoker kit, you should maybe consider a better flowing head from someplace like Indy, rather than go with the Stealths.
Good luck.
"When I'm in a slump, I comfort myself by saying if I believe in dinosaurs, then somewhere, they must be believing in me. And if they believe in me, then I can believe in me." - Mookie Wilson
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Re: 440 source stuff
[Re: Dartman440]
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11/19/14 05:34 PM
11/19/14 05:34 PM
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Used many kits from them. Building a 512 Stealth Head from source right now for a buddy and his convertible 67 GTX 440 car. Had Hughes custom grind a cam for it so it will make power from 1400-5000rpm. Should be a tq monster and a real sleeper as the car is unrestored and will stay that way. We are wondering how it is going to run down the highway with the 2.94 and eaton locker.
Never had an issue with anything I have bought from them.
2011 RAM3500
1967 Fastback Barracuda with some go fast goodies.
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