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440 source stuff #1698498 11/13/14 03:18 PM 11/13/14 03:18 PM
Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 39 SC B BowtieKillr OP member
BowtieKillr OP member B Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 39 SC	Looking to build a stroker around 500 to 540 c.i. for bracket racing. How reliable is the 440 source stuff compared to the high $ stuff. D o you guys run there stuff and if so how do you like it.

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: BowtieKillr] #1698499 11/13/14 03:26 PM 11/13/14 03:26 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	welcome aboard . Early on way back, source got bashed a bit & I think there were some quality control issues with their heads/water pumps which I believe have been resolved & alot of people (on here) have used their stuff with a few issues with the valve train gear but alot of people are happy with them expecially stealth heads & you need to have any mailorder stuff from anyone gone over by your local trusted/competent machinist. I'm gonna pull the trigger on a 535 RB source stroker kit (go big or go home) as soon as those slick talking lawyers in California settle up for their insured driver tboning my daily driver 8329946-key005.jpg (250 downloads) live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: RapidRobert] #1698500 11/13/14 03:39 PM 11/13/14 03:39 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa M mikemee1331 master
mikemee1331 master M Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa	Yikes Robert! I heard about that accident but never saw any pics! anyway to the OP, I haven't heard any bad rumblings on this board about their stuff in a number of years. there are a few guys that absolutely hate them but I think that's mostly because a lot of the parts aren't manufactured in the US. while I would be much happier with that also my pockets aren't deep enough. i'm gonna be pulling the trigger on their water pump/housing very soon. I've read enough recent stuff to be ok that the narrow channel issue has been addressed.

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: mikemee1331] #1698501 11/13/14 04:50 PM 11/13/14 04:50 PM
Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 39 SC B BowtieKillr OP member
BowtieKillr OP member B Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 39 SC	Well ive been a member since around 2007 her , but havent been doing anything but spectating and im ready to start putting the dart back together. Just would hate to build a stroker with 440's parts and it come apart because of parts failure. i know thats always a chance with everything you buy in racing but that would really suck big time. Still a little gun shy !!! Thanks any how guys .

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: BowtieKillr] #1698502 11/13/14 04:53 PM 11/13/14 04:53 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa M mikemee1331 master
mikemee1331 master M Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa	Quote: Well ive been a member since around 2007 her , but havent been doing anything but spectating and im ready to start putting the dart back together. Just would hate to build a stroker with 440's parts and it come apart because of parts failure. i know thats always a chance with everything you buy in racing but that would really suck big time. Still a little gun shy !!! Thanks any how guys . ya might ask the question over on the racer forum...

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: BowtieKillr] #1698503 11/13/14 04:59 PM 11/13/14 04:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,668 Mi,U.S.A. M mike s top fuel
mike s top fuel M Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,668 Mi,U.S.A.	I have used source stuff and so far so good.I do check all the parts carefully.I would not use any of the valve train parts that come on the assembled heads but other than that I have no issues. Leave the gun.......take the Cannoli's....Mike

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: mike s] #1698504 11/13/14 07:04 PM 11/13/14 07:04 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,873 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,873 Ontario, Canada	I've bought a lot of their stuff and have had "concerns" with some of it. HOWEVER, I did buy their 528" stroker kit and other than having to fit the pins, everything checked out fine. I bought the balanced assembly but did not have that checked - what's the point, it costs the same to check it as it does to actually balance it. So on that note, you either trust them or you have it done locally. You will hear a lot of China bashers here that have never so much as seen a 440Source part in person let alone bought one. Take their comments with a grain of salt.

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: Stanton] #1698505 11/13/14 09:59 PM 11/13/14 09:59 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,174 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,174 PA.	My 500 cubic inch assembly went 275 runs in my Daytona (8.60's@155mph) before the block finally cracked. That same assembly is still going strong in a street car now. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: pittsburghracer] #1698506 11/14/14 12:02 AM 11/14/14 12:02 AM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 492 Kansas BEINGmeISaCRIME mopar
BEINGmeISaCRIME mopar Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 492 Kansas	I bought a set of their bare stealth heads and was very happy with them. I put all comp hardware in them and surfaced the heads to lower the chamber volume a little bit. I mainly went with them because they look like a factory casting. You can't tell the difference once they're painted

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: BowtieKillr] #1698507 11/14/14 12:12 AM 11/14/14 12:12 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,441 So Cal Sinitro master
Sinitro master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,441 So Cal	Here is one person's experience.. A close friend bought a pile of the source stuff building his 65 Belvedere, here are his results.. 1. Ignition box, failed after 30 days 2. Valley pan, failed after 60 days 3. Water pump housing, engine ran hot switched out to the Mopar performance part no issues. 4. Oil pan, leaked replaced with a Milodon 5. Distributor, OK 6. Stealth heads, OK 7. 509 Stroker crank kit, OK 8. Adjustable rocker arms, OK 9. Mini-starter, failed after 1K miles IMHO.. Their stroker kits and heads are fine, but the other stuff is marginal. Note that the car has <1200 street driven miles so little actual running time on the various parts. In today's tight economy everyone want to save $ thats why we have other options such as Harbor Freight. Just my $0.02...

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: Sinitro] #1698508 11/14/14 01:14 AM 11/14/14 01:14 AM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 492 Kansas BEINGmeISaCRIME mopar
BEINGmeISaCRIME mopar Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 492 Kansas	What oil pan did he have? I bought the 6qt hemi pan and haven't had any leaks on mine.

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: BEINGmeISaCRIME] #1698509 11/14/14 01:53 AM 11/14/14 01:53 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	I use their stroker kit also and its been in my car running for over three years with no problems. Most just say the piston pins are a bit tight as mine were also but I just worked them and fitted them myself. The rest checked out ok and is working good. Ron Last edited by 383man; 11/14/14 01:54 AM.

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: BEINGmeISaCRIME] #1698510 11/14/14 02:17 AM 11/14/14 02:17 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,441 So Cal Sinitro master
Sinitro master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,441 So Cal	Quote: What oil pan did he have? I bought the 6qt hemi pan and haven't had any leaks on mine. Here U go.. There was a hairline crack in the welded seam.. Just my $0.02.. 8330600-1211030.jpg (153 downloads)

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: BowtieKillr] #1698511 11/14/14 10:59 AM 11/14/14 10:59 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,013 LEE, MASS T TOMRR super stock
TOMRR super stock T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,013 LEE, MASS	Got a water pump from them, JUNK !!!! HP440 Over Heated !! Got a Mopar performance problem solved

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: TOMRR] #1698512 11/14/14 11:22 AM 11/14/14 11:22 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	I have a set of their heads from the first production batch, no problems. Have their oil pan as well with no problems. Bought a bunch of small knick knacks there too with no problems. I have heard guys had problems with their roller rockers, which is not surprising when guys go and run 600 lb spring pressures on an el cheapo china rocker. I went with crane rockers instead.

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: Sinitro] #1698513 11/14/14 12:21 PM 11/14/14 12:21 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,873 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,873 Ontario, Canada	Quote: Quote: What oil pan did he have? I bought the 6qt hemi pan and haven't had any leaks on mine. Here U go.. There was a hairline crack in the welded seam.. Just my $0.02.. I've heard of similar problems with Milodons so I wouldn't consider this a show stopper. Honestly, I believe all oil pans come from the same place - there's no way a company could justify the cost of dies to stamp out Mopar oil pans. My guess would be Milodon makes the pans and sells to 440Source, Summit, etc who "rebrand" the pan. Likewise with the windage trays. 440Source stuff I've had/have: distributor - sold to someone who needed it urgently water pump - hogged out the passage but got a smokin deal on a MP piece - sold the 440Source piece heads - sold - decided the stroker needed more flow, bought Indys fabbed timing cover - sold - crank seal hole was offset once installed. Probably wouldn't have been an issue but I wasn't satisfied. valley tray and holddowns - sold - didn't need them after sellin the heads alternator and bracket kit - on the motor. This is an Andy F. kit FWIW serpentine pulleys and belt - on the motor - very nice pieces fluid damper - on the motor rear oil seal kit - on the motor complete stroker kit - in the motor

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: Stanton] #1698514 11/14/14 03:16 PM 11/14/14 03:16 PM
Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 39 SC B BowtieKillr OP member
BowtieKillr OP member B Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 39 SC	Hey Stanton , The new Super Stealth head is it Anywhere near the Indy's stuff.

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: TOMRR] #1698515 11/14/14 04:30 PM 11/14/14 04:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,649 Stuttgart, Arkansas rickseeman master
rickseeman master Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,649 Stuttgart, Arkansas	Quote: Got a water pump from them, JUNK !!!! HP440 Over Heated !! Got a Mopar performance problem solved X2 2011 Drag Pak Challenger

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: rickseeman] #1698516 11/14/14 05:23 PM 11/14/14 05:23 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 96 TX J jeepers007 member
jeepers007 member J Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 96 TX	The water pump issue is no longer relevant unless you buy one used. They have changed the design.

Re: 440 source stuff [Re: BowtieKillr] #1698517 11/14/14 06:05 PM 11/14/14 06:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,016 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,016 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Hey Stanton , The new Super Stealth head is it Anywhere near the Indy's stuff.

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