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Re: Will it pick up? [Re: Al_Alguire] #1688642 10/21/14 08:16 PM 10/21/14 08:16 PM
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,267 North, Alabama D-50 pro stock
D-50 pro stock Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,267 North, Alabama	I have always had my Caltracks in the top hole and everybody is telling him to use bottom hole. I upgraded to a 1050 carb and went to the track 1 time so far and I made 4 passes with zero traction. Should I try the bottom hole. Sorry for the hijack, I might make it back to track this weekend. 1.33 60 ft,6.21 at 110.59 in the 1/8, pump gas small block,2950lbs,drag radials,mufflers and driven to track ...

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1688643 10/21/14 08:21 PM 10/21/14 08:21 PM
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,460 Sydney,Australia tex013 top fuel
tex013 top fuel Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,460 Sydney,Australia	Mryuck, I have mine in the lower hole .set bar parallel , 1/4 turn preload both sides with driver in the car. this is as per Travis @ Calvert direction . he said 1/2 turn max preload , 1/8 gap = hard hit.if car pulls increase preload on that side . I have not adjusted since fitting the caltracs , just play a little with shock setting , softer on looser track Tex New best ET 10.259@129.65 . New best MPH 130.32 Finally fitted a solid cam, stepped it up a bit more 3690lbs through the mufflers New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm Power by Tex's Automotive

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1688644 10/21/14 08:50 PM 10/21/14 08:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Quote: Quote: You will likely have better success in the lower hole. You will also likely kill the tire with the CE shocks. All you can do is tighten them up as much as possible. Caltracs NEED a very tight extension setting. what setting is that? Lower hole w/ how much pre-load? FWIW, my E-body is set up in the lower hole w/ 1/2 turn on driver's side, 1/2 + 1/3 turn on passenger side (pulled to the right a bit when both sides were the same) and the Rancho 5-way adjustables on #4 (pretty stiff). Your CEs would need to be on full stiff... and still probably won't be enough. How much rise do you have from your front suspension from the static ride height? Calvert said it would need 5" (at least) of front-end separation to work, and he was right. With only about 4" it would top out after the hit and cause the rear tires to unload. EDIT: Do you have adjustable secondary metering plates (or drilled out metering plates)? My experience w/ Six Packs on 440s was that the center carb "wanted" a 65 or 66 jet, but the outboards needed a good bit more fuel on the main circuit than unmodified plates provided. Last edited by Drummer 1-3/4; 10/21/14 08:55 PM.

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: BradH] #1688645 10/21/14 09:38 PM 10/21/14 09:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck OP Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck OP Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Quote: Quote: Quote: You will likely have better success in the lower hole. You will also likely kill the tire with the CE shocks. All you can do is tighten them up as much as possible. Caltracs NEED a very tight extension setting. what setting is that? Lower hole w/ how much pre-load? FWIW, my E-body is set up in the lower hole w/ 1/2 turn on driver's side, 1/2 + 1/3 turn on passenger side (pulled to the right a bit when both sides were the same) and the Rancho 5-way adjustables on #4 (pretty stiff). Your CEs would need to be on full stiff... and still probably won't be enough. How much rise do you have from your front suspension from the static ride height? Calvert said it would need 5" (at least) of front-end separation to work, and he was right. With only about 4" it would top out after the hit and cause the rear tires to unload. EDIT: Do you have adjustable secondary metering plates (or drilled out metering plates)? My experience w/ Six Packs on 440s was that the center carb "wanted" a 65 or 66 jet, but the outboards needed a good bit more fuel on the main circuit than unmodified plates provided. unmodified plates..stock 6-pack and I have 5+" of front end travel.

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1688646 10/21/14 11:08 PM 10/21/14 11:08 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	If that fan locks up before or during the run, you will loose ET. Fastest 300

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: Crizila] #1688647 10/21/14 11:33 PM 10/21/14 11:33 PM
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,267 North, Alabama D-50 pro stock
D-50 pro stock Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,267 North, Alabama	Put a electric water pump on it and a electric fan then and eliminate all of the drag from them. I have been doing that on 2 different cars for at least 15 years with no problem. Driving down the road you do not even have to run the fan at all. I drove street drove them for thousands of miles per year. 1.33 60 ft,6.21 at 110.59 in the 1/8, pump gas small block,2950lbs,drag radials,mufflers and driven to track ...

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1688648 10/22/14 01:11 AM 10/22/14 01:11 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,591 Canton, Ohio S Sport440 master
Sport440 master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,591 Canton, Ohio	It will pick up alright, not sure about the teens, but close. I bought the same power robbing plastic summit fan myself. But ran it on a electric motor. Teens will be close IMO

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1688649 10/22/14 09:29 AM 10/22/14 09:29 AM
Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 167 maryland 7 74yellowduster member
74yellowduster member 7 Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 167 maryland	hey post your weights at all 4 wheels when you get a chance

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: 74yellowduster] #1688650 10/22/14 10:04 AM 10/22/14 10:04 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck OP Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck OP Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Quote: hey post your weights at all 4 wheels when you get a chance I have no idea what that would be. If the scales are open I can weigh it, but I think that just gives an overall weight. With me and gas I'm guessing 3800-3900lbs.

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1688651 10/22/14 12:15 PM 10/22/14 12:15 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion T Thumperdart I Live Here
Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: You will likely have better success in the lower hole. You will also likely kill the tire with the CE shocks. All you can do is tighten them up as much as possible. Caltracs NEED a very tight extension setting. what setting is that? Lower hole w/ how much pre-load? FWIW, my E-body is set up in the lower hole w/ 1/2 turn on driver's side, 1/2 + 1/3 turn on passenger side (pulled to the right a bit when both sides were the same) and the Rancho 5-way adjustables on #4 (pretty stiff). Your CEs would need to be on full stiff... and still probably won't be enough. How much rise do you have from your front suspension from the static ride height? Calvert said it would need 5" (at least) of front-end separation to work, and he was right. With only about 4" it would top out after the hit and cause the rear tires to unload. EDIT: Do you have adjustable secondary metering plates (or drilled out metering plates)? My experience w/ Six Packs on 440s was that the center carb "wanted" a 65 or 66 jet, but the outboards needed a good bit more fuel on the main circuit than unmodified plates provided. unmodified plates..stock 6-pack and I have 5+" of front end travel. Like I mentioned, the blocks can be modified and the body`s t-slot holes measured to see if it would clean up the idle and lower speeds which translates to a cleaner top end w/some tweeks and fine tuning. 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1688652 10/22/14 02:49 PM 10/22/14 02:49 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,129 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,129 Bend,OR USA	Try measuring the nose weight with you (get a freind to read it if needed )in the car then the total on all four wheels and finally the rear weight Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1688653 10/22/14 11:26 PM 10/22/14 11:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	All I can tell you is good luck and I hope to see you there. I have never run Cal Tracs myself but they do seem to work very good when dailed in. Myself I have made no changes to my car but I might uncapp it if I feel like it. Ron

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: Crizila] #1688654 10/23/14 12:43 PM 10/23/14 12:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck OP Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck OP Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Quote: If that fan locks up before or during the run, you will loose ET. Are these thermal or centrifugal..

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1688655 10/23/14 01:19 PM 10/23/14 01:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,635 Oakland, MI D dizuster master
dizuster master D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,635 Oakland, MI	Tighten the shocks up all the way, and put the caltrac bar in the lower hole. The shocks you have won't be able to control a hard hit well enough, so you sort of have to bandaid that by putting the bar in the lower hole to let the spring absorb some energy before the front segment goes "solid". But on the pro's at your power, you should be able to make the thing hook in spit.

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: dizuster] #1688656 10/23/14 01:37 PM 10/23/14 01:37 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck OP Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck OP Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Quote: Tighten the shocks up all the way, and put the caltrac bar in the lower hole. The shocks you have won't be able to control a hard hit well enough, so you sort of have to bandaid that by putting the bar in the lower hole to let the spring absorb some energy before the front segment goes "solid". But on the pro's at your power, you should be able to make the thing hook in spit. is the "tight" 50/50 or 70/30

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1688657 10/23/14 01:42 PM 10/23/14 01:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 13,357 Marion, South Carolina [><] an8sec70cuda I Live Here
an8sec70cuda I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 13,357 Marion, South Carolina [><]	50/50 CHIP '70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60 '69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60 '71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75 '73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75 '90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt '06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #1688658 10/23/14 01:45 PM 10/23/14 01:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck OP Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck OP Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Quote: 50/50 thanks, will re-set to lower hole and 50/50 and have a go at it Saturday.

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1688659 10/23/14 04:15 PM 10/23/14 04:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	IMO, you should spend the $$$ for a set of those billet secondary metering plates that allow you to adjust your outboard carb jets. You really can't tune all 6 "holes" by changing only the center carb's main jets. I had my old Six Pack plates modified years ago to enable changing jets, but the new parts from Promax / Quick Fuel / whomever are a better way to go. And if somebody was smart, they'd make the IFR circuits adjustable, too (if they haven't already).

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: BradH] #1688660 10/23/14 10:17 PM 10/23/14 10:17 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion T Thumperdart I Live Here
Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion	Quote: IMO, you should spend the $$$ for a set of those billet secondary metering plates that allow you to adjust your outboard carb jets. You really can't tune all 6 "holes" by changing only the center carb's main jets. I had my old Six Pack plates modified years ago to enable changing jets, but the new parts from Promax / Quick Fuel / whomever are a better way to go. And if somebody was smart, they'd make the IFR circuits adjustable, too (if they haven't already). Yep, that`s what I suggested to Mr Yuck............send me those blocks and I can make em night and day difference............ 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: Will it pick up? [Re: Thumperdart] #1688661 10/23/14 10:41 PM 10/23/14 10:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Pssssst, Dom: Mopar Six Pack outboard carbs use fixed-orifice metering plates, not metering blocks.

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