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to mini tub or not #1686301 10/15/14 09:43 PM 10/15/14 09:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 216 omahell, ne B buconine OP enthusiast
buconine OP enthusiast B Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 216 omahell, ne	Trying to figure out the budget needed to get everything done this winter. I was talking to a friend about doing the offset shackles and he mentioned that if i'm going to move the perches i might as well mini tub it. I was planning on running a square setup on the car and really didn't think a mini tub was necessary. You guys have been down this road so i figured i would ask for input. Plan on dr diff cobra brakes f/r with hotchkis upper control arms and leafs. 69 valiant 383/727/3:23sg Swapping a 440 in this winter as well if it makes any difference.

Re: to mini tub or not [Re: buconine] #1686302 10/15/14 11:55 PM 10/15/14 11:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,323 NY NY 3 340duster340 master
340duster340 master 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,323 NY NY	haven't had it done myself, but seems like something that cab be done at any time down the road. fwiw, my car has been apart way to long, i am now all for the least amount of work possible to get it back on the road, so maybe i am a little biased.

Re: to mini tub or not [Re: 340duster340] #1686303 10/16/14 08:35 AM 10/16/14 08:35 AM
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 294 The Netherlands, OV D dickdale enthusiast
dickdale enthusiast D Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 294 The Netherlands, OV	what wheel specs are you going to use?

Re: to mini tub or not [Re: dickdale] #1686304 10/16/14 09:46 AM 10/16/14 09:46 AM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 216 omahell, ne B buconine OP enthusiast
buconine OP enthusiast B Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 216 omahell, ne	I am hoping to run 285/35-18 square setup on an 18 x 9 wheel. My co-worker has several wheels off his sti that i am going to test fitment with once i get the brake swap done.

Re: to mini tub or not [Re: buconine] #1686305 10/16/14 11:59 AM 10/16/14 11:59 AM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 216 omahell, ne B buconine OP enthusiast
buconine OP enthusiast B Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 216 omahell, ne	I have a 18x9.5 +38 and +43 with 275/35 18 tires to use for testing. If I could get 275s all the way around with just the offset kit, I'd be ok with that.

Re: to mini tub or not [Re: buconine] #1686306 10/16/14 09:52 PM 10/16/14 09:52 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska 72Swinger master
72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	The +38 might work all the way around with a 1/2" spacer in the rear and a degree or two negative camber in the front. The +43 might be ideal in the front with little or no camber though. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: to mini tub or not [Re: 72Swinger] #1686307 10/16/14 10:19 PM 10/16/14 10:19 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central RobX4406 I Live Here
RobX4406 I Live Here Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central	I doubt a 285 will fit with a stock well and spring location. An offset perch set might make it close. The fight you may have with tire fit would be greatly reduced with a minitub and spring relocation. My 275 tire Dart is a tight fit with a 3/4 spring relocation and some lip trim/bending.

Re: to mini tub or not [Re: RobX4406] #1686308 10/18/14 07:24 PM 10/18/14 07:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 216 omahell, ne B buconine OP enthusiast
buconine OP enthusiast B Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 216 omahell, ne	Guy forgot to bring the rest of the wheels to test but had an 18 x 9.5 +20 275/35r18 to mess with. Front fit well, cleared the fender and hit the stock upper control arm when turning as expected. The rear hit the leafs but had good clearance to the fender. Added 1 1/2" of spacers to the rear and got the wheel pretty well centered. I guessing with offset hanger kit i should be able to run +20 all around and be ok without having to tub it. 8304633-valsti2.jpg (31 downloads)

Re: to mini tub or not [Re: buconine] #1686309 10/18/14 07:26 PM 10/18/14 07:26 PM
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 12,375 SoCal MuuMuu101 I got lucky at Woodward!
MuuMuu101 I got lucky at Woodward! Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 12,375 SoCal	Quote: Guy forgot to bring the rest of the wheels to test but had an 18 x 9.5 +20 275/35r18 to mess with. Front fit well, cleared the fender and hit the stock upper control arm when turning as expected. The rear hit the leafs but had good clearance to the fender. Added 1 1/2" of spacers to the rear and got the wheel pretty well centered. I guessing with offset hanger kit i should be able to run +20 all around and be ok without having to tub it. Buy the wheels off him. The red and gold look good.

Re: to mini tub or not [Re: buconine] #1686310 10/18/14 07:26 PM 10/18/14 07:26 PM
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buconine OP enthusiast B Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 216 omahell, ne	Looks pretty slick... 8304638-valsti.jpg (50 downloads)

Re: to mini tub or not [Re: MuuMuu101] #1686311 10/18/14 07:32 PM 10/18/14 07:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 216 omahell, ne B buconine OP enthusiast
buconine OP enthusiast B Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 216 omahell, ne	I wish, they are the race wheels off his sti. Not sure what to do for wheel style. Thinking maybe fr500 or something more classic.

Re: to mini tub or not [Re: buconine] #1686312 10/18/14 07:39 PM 10/18/14 07:39 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska 72Swinger master
72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	Do you still have stock front rotors? Rear drums? Im shocked a +20 is fitting, must be some different juju going on with the Valiants.Also its a good idea to un-crank your torsion bars and let it set on the bumpstops THEN turn steering wheel back and forth. Last edited by 72Swinger; 10/18/14 07:41 PM. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: to mini tub or not [Re: 72Swinger] #1686313 10/18/14 09:31 PM 10/18/14 09:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 216 omahell, ne B buconine OP enthusiast
buconine OP enthusiast B Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 216 omahell, ne	It still has stock brakes all around. I couldn't bolt the wheels on tight enough to drop the car all the way down due to different bolt pattern. I think with offset spring kit and dr diffs rear disk kit i should be able to get the rears to fit with a small spacer if necessary. If i have to use a spacer, i will have to roll the rear lips. 8304734-valsti21.jpg (24 downloads)

Re: to mini tub or not [Re: buconine] #1686314 10/19/14 02:17 AM 10/19/14 02:17 AM
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 12,375 SoCal MuuMuu101 I got lucky at Woodward!
MuuMuu101 I got lucky at Woodward! Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 12,375 SoCal	Quote: It still has stock brakes all around. I couldn't bolt the wheels on tight enough to drop the car all the way down due to different bolt pattern. I think with offset spring kit and dr diffs rear disk kit i should be able to get the rears to fit with a small spacer if necessary. If i have to use a spacer, i will have to roll the rear lips. So basically you're converting to my setup minus the offset shackles? Which rear end do you have? A or B Body?

Re: to mini tub or not [Re: MuuMuu101] #1686315 10/19/14 11:08 AM 10/19/14 11:08 AM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 216 omahell, ne B buconine OP enthusiast
buconine OP enthusiast B Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 216 omahell, ne	Yep, doing drdiff's cobra brakes all around, a body rear.

Re: to mini tub or not [Re: MuuMuu101] #1686316 10/19/14 11:42 AM 10/19/14 11:42 AM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 216 omahell, ne B buconine OP enthusiast
buconine OP enthusiast B Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 216 omahell, ne	Do the hotchkis leafs have a 1/2" or 5/8" front eye hole? Getting ready to order the kit from drdiff and it shows 2 different ones. Anyone ever use these leafs with the offset kit?

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