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I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? #1674630 09/20/14 09:34 PM 09/20/14 09:34 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 643 Toronto, Ontario, Canada plazomat OP mopar
plazomat OP mopar Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 643 Toronto, Ontario, Canada	Bone head move...While rebuilding the front end on my 69 B, I way over torqed my inner tie rod end...probably 70-80 before I figured something was wrong..I backed off the nut and retorqed to 45lbs - the cotter pin hole is a few threads above the nut.. Should I get another rod end and start over? Remove this one and try with it again? Run it like it is? Use a washer under the nut to bring the hole into better position? Plaz

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: plazomat] #1674631 09/20/14 09:55 PM 09/20/14 09:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,642 PA 7 70Duster top fuel
70Duster top fuel 7 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,642 PA	Retorque to 45 ft-lbs, install the cotter pin and leave it alone.

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: 70Duster] #1674632 09/20/14 10:53 PM 09/20/14 10:53 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 643 Toronto, Ontario, Canada plazomat OP mopar
plazomat OP mopar Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 643 Toronto, Ontario, Canada	But the cotter pin will be a few threads above the castle nut and not really do any thing? I have seen instructions for ball joints where you add a washer under the nut to raise it up on the threaded portion so that the nut/hole/pin work together.. Anyone seen this done? Plaz

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: plazomat] #1674633 09/20/14 11:26 PM 09/20/14 11:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN A ahy master
ahy master A Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN	I have used machine washers with castle nuts. Available at ACE in a couple different thicknesses. Mix and match as needed.

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: ahy] #1674634 09/21/14 12:56 AM 09/21/14 12:56 AM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 138 WI. U.S.A. D DusTed74 member
DusTed74 member D Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 138 WI. U.S.A.	Like was said above. Remove the nut and install the washer. torque the nut and install the cotter pin. If it doesn't torque up then you have a problem otherwise don't give it a second thought. Ted

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: DusTed74] #1674635 09/21/14 02:45 AM 09/21/14 02:45 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 643 Toronto, Ontario, Canada plazomat OP mopar
plazomat OP mopar Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 643 Toronto, Ontario, Canada	Awesome - I will get a washer or 2 in there in the am.. Plaz

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: plazomat] #1674636 09/21/14 12:03 PM 09/21/14 12:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,043 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,043 U.S.S.A.	Something is not right , you either screwed up the taper because the arm it was going into was soft or your stretched the tie rod stud , the stud length is not to spec or the nut is not to spec , you need to find out which before just throwing a washer under it and calling it good.

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: JohnRR] #1674637 09/21/14 12:14 PM 09/21/14 12:14 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska	Quote: you need to find out which What I'd do is eyeball one of the other tie rod ends (that is correctly installed) & see what ain't right/different on the bad one & go from there live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: RapidRobert] #1674638 09/21/14 12:40 PM 09/21/14 12:40 PM
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,318 Ohio J jlatessa pro stock
jlatessa pro stock J Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,318 Ohio	Sometimes the castled nut sp? is a different height and the slots in it are either too high, or as in your case, too low. Check if there is one more suited to your application. Also, with the nut off, see if any of the threads on the stud have been deformed, i.e. stretched, it will usually show up where the threads end at the larger shank portion. If not, you should be OK to go. Just my two cents.... Joe

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: JohnRR] #1674639 09/21/14 01:03 PM 09/21/14 01:03 PM
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GeorgeH member G Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 45 Delaware	Quote: Something is not right , you either screwed up the taper because the arm it was going into was soft or your stretched the tie rod stud , the stud length is not to spec or the nut is not to spec , you need to find out which before just throwing a washer under it and calling it good. X2 You might have pulled the ball through the cage internally. It's just not worth taking your life in your hands over a $15 steering component.

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: GeorgeH] #1674640 09/21/14 01:26 PM 09/21/14 01:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,728 Moved to N.E. Tennessee GomangoCuda master
GomangoCuda master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,728 Moved to N.E. Tennessee	Quote: It's just not worth taking your life in your hands over a $15 steering component. That was my first thought. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: JohnRR] #1674641 09/21/14 01:35 PM 09/21/14 01:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,408 Omaha Ne T TJP I Live Here
TJP I Live Here T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,408 Omaha Ne	Quote: Something is not right , you either screwed up the taper because the arm it was going into was soft or your stretched the tie rod stud , the stud length is not to spec or the nut is not to spec , you need to find out which before just throwing a washer under it and calling it good. X 3 or 4 www.tandmautomotive-omaha.com

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: TJP] #1674642 09/21/14 02:09 PM 09/21/14 02:09 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 18,582 Rust Belt, SW PA Silver70 I Live Here
Silver70 I Live Here Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 18,582 Rust Belt, SW PA	I bought tie rod ends from rockauto, 4 bucks a piece... like mentioned, not worth the risk, life or the car. 68 Road Runner, 69 Belvedere, 71 Challenger Vert 340 barracuda, 01 Ram CTD, 95 Ram, 04 Ram, 85 Daytona turbo Z 66 GTO, 06 Magnum RT AWD. 07 Ram CTD, 07 Ram

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: jlatessa] #1674643 09/21/14 02:19 PM 09/21/14 02:19 PM
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 140 Ohio C carteravs member
carteravs member C Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 140 Ohio	You're right, the "tall" nuts are used with ends that have a dog point on the end of the stud. The "short" nuts fit ends that are threaded all the way to the end of the stud.

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: JohnRR] #1674644 09/21/14 02:41 PM 09/21/14 02:41 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,520 God's Country Maryland GODSCOUNTRY340 master
GODSCOUNTRY340 master Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,520 God's Country Maryland	Quote: Something is not right , you either screwed up the taper because the arm it was going into was soft or your stretched the tie rod stud , the stud length is not to spec or the nut is not to spec , you need to find out which before just throwing a washer under it and calling it good. 100% correct, you've hurt something. Either you've pulled the ball almost out of the joint or stretched the shaft, REPLACE THAT TIEROD. I love the smell of Deer guts in the morning, it smells like... VICTORY!

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: GODSCOUNTRY340] #1674645 09/21/14 05:36 PM 09/21/14 05:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,074 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,074 Niles , Ohio	I think you could tighten it to 500 ftlbs and not pull the ball out of the socket.It stops when the taper gets so far.Only thing you might do is stretch the threads a bit.That ball will not pull out.You are pulling the tapers thats it Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: therocks] #1674646 09/21/14 07:34 PM 09/21/14 07:34 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 16,844 Phoenix - surface of the sun nomore65BelvJim I Live Here
nomore65BelvJim I Live Here Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 16,844 Phoenix - surface of the sun	Quote: I think you could tighten it to 500 ftlbs and not pull the ball out of the socket.It stops when the taper gets so far.Only thing you might do is stretch the threads a bit.That ball will not pull out.You are pulling the tapers thats it Rocky Gotta agree with Rocky. 70-80 ftlbs isnt going to pull the ball out of the socket. My bet is you have the wrong castle nut. If you stretched it that much it would likely have broken or at least be deformed enough that you could see it. Compare the stud length and castle nut to the others you installed.

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: nomore65BelvJim] #1674647 09/21/14 08:44 PM 09/21/14 08:44 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 643 Toronto, Ontario, Canada plazomat OP mopar
plazomat OP mopar Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 643 Toronto, Ontario, Canada	Hey I agree that no amount is worth my life or my kids life - so I asked here for opinions. I fugured since lots of people use impacts not torque wrenches to install these - 70-80 lbs I aint the first to do.. If it wasn't for the nut/hole/cotter issue not sure I would have given it another thought. I will order another joint - I will remove the nut maybe even the joint to check the taper on the arm and use this as a learning moment - I hope i did not FUBAR it.. Thanks Plaz

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: nomore65BelvJim] #1674648 09/21/14 08:45 PM 09/21/14 08:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,074 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,074 Niles , Ohio	Jim I think some of this stuff is way over thought.I can tell these guys never worked in a garage at flat rate.Zip them in with your impact.Just dont go wild doing it.That was on daily drivers that saw more miles in a month than most of these will see in 2 years. Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: I over torqed my tie rod end...what should I do? [Re: therocks] #1674649 09/21/14 09:24 PM 09/21/14 09:24 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,733 Florida BDW master
BDW master Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,733 Florida	Wise words, you think the factory designed something that would fail when torqued to 80lbs when only 40lbs is spec. Add the washer and be done with it, don't waste money on another part you don't need.

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