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Re: Spark plug heat range?? [Re: hemi-itis] #1669661
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A couple things you can try,bigger air bleed for main jeting,lower fuel psi and cruise to check result,main jetting.


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Re: Spark plug heat range?? [Re: hemi-itis] #1669662
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Actually, if the plug is too cold you have an easier time firing it, if by "firing" you mean "the current finds a path to ground".
Instead of jumping the electrode gap (creating a spark between the center post to the side electrode and then to the plug body), the electrical charge follows the conductive fouling material down the porcelain to the plug body and completes the circuit without making a spark.


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Re: Spark plug heat range?? [Re: polyspheric] #1669663
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Re: Spark plug heat range?? [Re: polyspheric] #1669664
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Actually, if the plug is too cold you have an easier time firing it, if by "firing" you mean "the current finds a path to ground".
Instead of jumping the electrode gap (creating a spark between the center post to the side electrode and then to the plug body), the electrical charge follows the conductive fouling material down the porcelain to the plug body and completes the circuit without making a spark.




Would there be any type of "witness" trail??


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Re: Spark plug heat range?? [Re: hemi-itis] #1669665
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Mr P,would that also cause a misfire at higher RPM??


the middle plug looks good.

Re: Spark plug heat range?? [Re: johnmilner] #1669666
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Mr P,would that also cause a misfire at higher RPM??


the middle plug looks good.




I forgot to say that static is 8:1 on gasoline

Look at the strap on that plug,the line is just above threads,too much timing,but the inside of the plug looks good.I have to put a few passes on a set of 9's and see how they look.


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Re: Spark plug heat range?? [Re: bwhackd34] #1669667
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Also...try 7's




Think they would be too cold


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Re: Spark plug heat range?? [Re: hemi-itis] #1669668
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Mr P,would that also cause a misfire at higher RPM??


the middle plug looks good.




I forgot to say that static is 8:1 on gasoline

Look at the strap on that plug,the line is just above threads,too much timing,but the inside of the plug looks good.I have to put a few passes on a set of 9's and see how they look.




I dont think thats true... since you have very little
time on them the color on the strap is up on the flat
but its hard to see being new plugs... your not fat
based on those pics but you say cruise is... I've
never played with that single bbl carb but if it
tunes like any carb then you need to lean down the
idle jets and fatten up the high speed to compensate
for the less idle

Re: Spark plug heat range?? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1669669
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Are the idle air bleed only for idle or do they effect the tip in also??


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Re: Spark plug heat range?? [Re: hemi-itis] #1669670
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Are the idle air bleed only for idle or do they effect the tip in also??




They change the amount of air being sucked in through
them... if they are small it pulls more fuel from
the jet... so it can change tip in.... do those have
all the same stuff as a regular carb like pump cams
and squirters... can be the squirters to small or when
they start... does it idle nice.. because a lean idle
can also cause that

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Are the idle air bleed only for idle or do they effect the tip in also??




They change the amount of air being sucked in through
them... if they are small it pulls more fuel from
the jet... so it can change tip in.... do those have
all the same stuff as a regular carb like pump cams
and squirters... can be the squirters to small or when
they start... does it idle nice.. because a lean idle
can also cause that





Yes,they have pump cams & shooters. I had gone to a smaller idle air to try and correct an intermittent stumble on cruze mode tip in.

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Re: Spark plug heat range?? [Re: hemi-itis] #1669672
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Also...try 7's




Think they would be too cold





7`s are hotter than 8`s in NGK`s............didn`t notice if you had a wideband or not but tuning idle, cruise and wfo can be a bear w/out one............doable yes but a bear otherwise especially if you have an off idle stumble and don`t know if it`s rich or lean.


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Re: Spark plug heat range?? [Re: Thumperdart] #1669673
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Also...try 7's




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7`s are hotter than 8`s in NGK`s............didn`t notice if you had a wideband or not but tuning idle, cruise and wfo can be a bear w/out one............doable yes but a bear otherwise especially if you have an off idle stumble and don`t know if it`s rich or lean.




I went the wrong WAY I put in 9's instead of 7's


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No biggie............a 9 might be real good for a blown application.


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Re: Spark plug heat range?? [Re: Thumperdart] #1669675
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I ordered a set of 7's,will have them tomorrow


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Re: Spark plug heat range?? [Re: hemi-itis] #1669676
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Re: Spark plug heat range?? [Re: hemi-itis] #1669677
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Also...try 7's




Think they would be too cold





7`s are hotter than 8`s in NGK`s............didn`t notice if you had a wideband or not but tuning idle, cruise and wfo can be a bear w/out one............doable yes but a bear otherwise especially if you have an off idle stumble and don`t know if it`s rich or lean.




I went the wrong WAY I put in 9's instead of 7's



Lower the number hotter the plug guys
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10 lbs with stockish iron heads and a siamesed iron block.
It was breaking up over 6k RPM until I increased the timing to 35* and it woke right up.I had started taking timing out over 5500 RPM and it did not like that.Best pull was 9.907 @140 MPH with 35* and NGK 8's.Patrick advised me to go one step hotter and I went the wrong way
I'll test again with 7's and see what happens before any carb changes.


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Re: Spark plug heat range?? [Re: dennismopar73] #1669679
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Lower the number hotter the plug guys
Opposite of champions n autolites




I sure wish ALL of the plug companies would standardize
that... make them all the same way.. I dont care if
its lower the number the colder(which in my thinking
is the right way) but do them all the same... I mess
up with them also except the champions and autolites

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Iron heads,iron block best pass @ 10lbs was 9.907 @140 mph at 35*.


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