Spark plug heat range??
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Would too cold give me a fat condition,or as least look like it's fat?? While looking for my timing sweet spot,tried 37* which proved to be too much as the e/t & MPH fell off but the porcelain looked the best.So,,,,,,,either it's too fat or plug is too cold. I will try a hotter plug but was looking for your opinion
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Re: Spark plug heat range??
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I was advised not to run them and that they can tear up the spark plug tubes. Heard it from more than one person. That is why I asked for the opinion.
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Re: Spark plug heat range??
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I see a color looks kinda greenish ?? You have any coolant loss going on Or running e85??
The plugs do not look fouled Carb set up appears off tho Norm would be to run stock plugs
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Re: Spark plug heat range??
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Mr P,would that also cause a misfire at higher RPM??
Yes it will.I noticed a top-end miss during time trials.went 1 heat range hotter plugs.and no more miss.
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The spark plug is the Rodney Dangerfield of the hot rodding universe. It gets no respect—or at least very little. As performance enthusiasts, we tend to focus on power builders like high-flow cylinder heads, big camshafts, and mandrel-bent exhaust components. Fact is you can throw thousands of dollars worth of speed parts at your engine, but those oft-overlooked spark plugs still hold the key to making your powerplant go.
Fortunately, choosing the proper spark plugs for the average daily-driven vehicle is easy. Simply tell your auto parts sales rep your vehicle make and model, and they can look up the proper replacement spark plug based on the manufacturer’s recommendations. However, if you’ve modified your engine, finding just the right spark plugs is a little more involved.
Depending on your engine modifications, you’ll need to take a few extra factors into consideration before settling on the right spark plugs. These factors include spark plug seat design, thread length and diameter, and reach. We’ll cover these elements more in depth later on, but for now, we’ll shed some light on one of the most important—and most misunderstood—factors in choosing aftermarket spark plugs: heat range.
What is Heat Range?
Heat range is the speed at which a spark plug can transfer heat from the firing tip to the cylinder head water jacket and into the cooling system. Choosing the right heat range is crucial for high performance engines. If the heat range is too cold, the spark plug will be unable to properly self-clean by burning off carbon deposits. If it the heat range is too hot, your engine could experience detonation, pre-ignition, or power loss. Most spark plug manufacturers recommend that the tip temperature remain between 500-850 degrees Celsius.
Diagram courtesy of NGK Spark Plugs Heat ranges are designated by each spark plug manufacturer with a number. In broad terms, spark plugs are often referred to as “hot plugs” or “cold plugs.” A cold plug has a shorter insulator nose length—the distance from tip to spark plug shell—and transfers heat rapidly from its firing tip to the cylinder head water jacket. Cold plugs are ideal for high rpm engines, forced induction applications, and other instances where the engine produces high operating temperatures. Conversely, hot plugs are good for applications that operate mainly at low rpms. Because they have a longer insulator nose length, heat is transferred from the firing tip to the cooling system at slower pace. This keeps the spark plug temperature high, which allows the plug to self clean and prevent fouling.
Unfortunately, heat range numbers are not universal—each brand has its own method for assigning heat ranges. You’ll need to talk with your sales rep or consult with the manufacturer to find the best heat range for your application and spark plug brand. Be prepared to supply some basic vehicle information, including any modifications you’ve made. As a rule of thumb, you can expect to require one heat range colder than the factory-supplied plugs for every 75-100 horsepower you’ve added with your modifications, according to Champion Spark Plugs. Here are some more basic guidelines to get you pointed in the right direction:
Basic Heat Range Guidelines
Supercharging/turbocharging: Forced induction leads to increased cylinder pressure and temperature, which could lead to detonation. Depending on the exact application, you’ll need to go with a significantly colder heat range (faster heat transfer) over stock. Nitrous oxide: The high cylinder temperatures caused by nitrous usually requires a colder heat range over the stock plug. Methanol: Since it has a higher octane level than standard gasoline, methanol delivers more complete combustion. As a result, you’ll need a colder plug to transfer more heat from the combustion chamber. Increased compression ratio: Higher compression ratios mean higher cylinder pressure and temperature. Once again, you’ll need a colder heat range to rapidly transfer all that extra heat to the cooling system. Air/fuel mixture modifications: Lean air/fuel mixtures raise the operating temperature, along with the plug tip temperature, possibly causing knock or pre-ignition. Use a colder heat range for leaner air/fuel mixtures. Rich air/fuel mixtures can cause the plug temperature to dip, allowing carbon deposits to build up on the tip. Use a hotter heat range for rich air/fuel mixtures. Advanced ignition timing: In general, advanced ignition timing will raise the spark plug temperature. In fact, NGK estimates an increase of 70-100 degrees for every 10 degrees of advance in ignition timing. For this reason, you may need to go with a colder heat range to prevent knock or pre-ignition. Prolonged acceleration/high speed driving: Frequent and drawn-out acceleration and high-rpm driving raises combustion temperatures and generally requires a colder heat range. Armed with the right information, you can zero in on the spark plug right heat range for your application.
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Re: Spark plug heat range??
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Re: Spark plug heat range??
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I like the looks of those plugs I don't see any silver or black dots on the center porcyn, I like the looks and color of the ground strap also Especially after several passes with boost at or above 34 degrees Put two new ones back in it and try lowering the timing back to 34 or less and make another run and post some pictures of those new plugs after those runs How much boost at the upper RPM ? Are you using boost retard at all? And finally what is the mechanical compression ratio and what fuel are you using I feel your pain as far as rising before sunrise at 5:30 AM to go racing, we both must be crazy The prices we racers pay with such stupid grins on are faces
I don't have pic's of the previous plugs,but they were dark like it was too rich.Put in a fresh set of 8's and made 2 hits and raised the timing from 35 to 37.The e/t & MPH fell off so it seems to like 35*.I did not retard the timing because it misfired/broke up when I did. until I can test a "9",it seems to fat to me,the 37* cleaned up the plugs over the 35 Any light throttle crusing they come out black
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