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LA 360 Intake installation questions. #1662054
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I am ready to install my Edlebrock LD4B intake on my 1978 360. My research says don't use the cork gaskets, instead use black RTV front and rear. Also, my gasket kit came with metal and blue stripe felpro gaskets. Last time I used the metal ones and they leaked water everywhere. So this time I will use the blue stripe ones. Should I use some sealant on these? I know you should always follow the manufacturers instructions but...
Also, any other tips? I don't think I will be blocking off the crossover port.

Re: LA 360 Intake installation questions. [Re: cudabitten] #1662055
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The metal ones are for smaller 273/318 port heads. Use the blue gaskets. I have had success with both cork end gaskets and silicone only. If you use silicone buy the high quality black or grey stuff. Don't use the red, clear, or blue crap.


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Re: LA 360 Intake installation questions. [Re: 71yelladustr] #1662056
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I don`t use the metal gaskets on a aluminum intake. The cork end pieces tend to be too thick so sealer would be your only choice other then some of the factory intake gaskets that had foam end seals. Are the locating pins removed?

Re: LA 360 Intake installation questions. [Re: mopars4ever] #1662057
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Yes, pins are removed. What about sealant?

Re: LA 360 Intake installation questions. [Re: cudabitten] #1662058
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I ALWAYS use sealant, some say you don't need it, but I've NEVER looked back and thought, I shouldn't have done that.

Re: LA 360 Intake installation questions. [Re: Dan Halen] #1662059
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I never put any sealant on other then some dabs of silicone in the 4 corners when I use the end gaskets but if you use sealer instead of the end gaskets then you should not need it anywhere else. Just make sure everything is real clean. You didn`t say if the intake was new or used. If used what does the intake look like? Is there pitting around the water jackets.
EDIT: I see you stated: "I know you should always follow the manufacturers instructions" so I assume it is new.

Re: LA 360 Intake installation questions. [Re: mopars4ever] #1662060
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Mockup & see how the end gaps compare to the cork gasket thickness as deck height/milling/head gasket thickness can put that anywhere & using cork end gaskets that are a hair too thick can cause a front water port leak over time. If not using the supplied end gaskets clean the metal surfaces SQUEAKY CLEAN before applying black RTV. I prefer to cut my own end gaskets of the right height & use some gasket cement on em rather than no gaskets and RTV. As said composition gaskets on the side gaskets. I use Permatex #99MA "high tack" the red adhesive in the spray can on em. It goes on light/even and is extremely tacky which is just what is needed to hold those side gaskets in place


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Re: LA 360 Intake installation questions. [Re: RapidRobert] #1662061
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Make sure to get rid of or drill the intake for the end locating dowels or the intake will not sit down far enough to seat. And get some decent gaskets. Throw the tin ones as far as you can.

Re: LA 360 Intake installation questions. [Re: MoparforLife] #1662062
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I always use the Fel-Pro fiber gaskets and copper silicone on the ends.

Re: LA 360 Intake installation questions. [Re: justinp61] #1662063
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clean all gasket surface with a rag/brake cleaner/airdry to remove oil or rtv will not seal and stick.

when replacing the cork end rails with a bead of rtv.. make sure it is a good fat bead filling the void and MAKE sure to let the rtv CURE 24 hrs before running engine.

crank case pressure/vac can blow it out if not fully cured.

even with the slight mix match on ports I recomend the fel-pro 1213 gaskets with heat cross over blocked.

Re: LA 360 Intake installation questions. [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1662064
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Factory foam seals on ends gasket sealer on both side of intake and silicone on edges between gaskets and foam Remove the pins or carefully grind the pins down Like stated leave manifold set up for 24 hours>DO NOT block heat passage unless you are in tropical climate. on street car I would not do it period Also run a min of 180 stat

Re: LA 360 Intake installation questions. [Re: Paul_Fancsali] #1662065
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Factory foam seals on ends gasket sealer on both side of intake and silicone on edges between gaskets and foam Remove the pins or carefully grind the pins down Like stated leave manifold set up for 24 hours>DO NOT block heat passage unless you are in tropical climate. on street car I would not do it period Also run a min of 180 stat




DOH! that's true, I forget I am in the Fl heat with very mild winters. never needed a choke myself.

but I do run a 190* t-stat when it is blocked. I have a stacked alum plate/gasket heat disapator under the carb and it stays luke warm in dogdays of summer with it blocked.

with the edelbrock carb fuel perking/flooding/hard hot starts was the issues I had till I got it blocked and staying luke warm on the carb after a 40 mile ride in the summer heat.

this is with the LD4B on 360 headed 318. with it opend the intake and edelbrock carb got way to hot to the touch.

Re: LA 360 Intake installation questions. [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1662066
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Lay the intake in the valley and slide it all the way to one side. Measure the gap between intake and head. Whatever you see, add .060 to it and divide by two. If your intake gaskets aren't at least that thick, it may have issues sealing.

When you lay it in the valley, take a sharpie and trace the outer section of manifold to the block. Gives you a nice outer most line to lay silicone if not using the end seals. Pay real close attention to the pass side front area. Where it seals is not at the front of the intake.

Re: LA 360 Intake installation questions. [Re: RobX4406] #1662067
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Lay the intake in the valley and slide it all the way to one side. Measure the gap between intake and head. Whatever you see, add .060 to it and divide by two. If your intake gaskets aren't at least that thick, it may have issues sealing.





Just curious... Why "add .060"?

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Lay the intake in the valley and slide it all the way to one side. Measure the gap between intake and head. Whatever you see, add .060 to it and divide by two. If your intake gaskets aren't at least that thick, it may have issues sealing.





Just curious... Why "add .060"?




Give it some crush. If you don't add any, the intake may bottom on the end rails. You want the intake floating above the end rails when it's installed

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Lay the intake in the valley and slide it all the way to one side. Measure the gap between intake and head. Whatever you see, add .060 to it and divide by two. If your intake gaskets aren't at least that thick, it may have issues sealing.





Just curious... Why "add .060"?




Give it some crush. If you don't add any, the intake may bottom on the end rails. You want the intake floating above the end rails when it's installed




Got it. Makes sense!

Re: LA 360 Intake installation questions. [Re: mopowers] #1662070
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The Intake is probably 40 years old? Yes it is used, no it does not have pitting. Yes Robert I will mock it up, Yes I will most likely use some high tack to help hold-em in place and provide more sealing. Yes I will through the tin ones over the roof. Paul, I dont know where to get the factory foam seals plus I already have the FelPro ones, but I wil not block off the crossover...come on Scratch, you know I'm in PA! I will be using a new EB 1406 the one with the electric choke. I also have a thick carb gasket. Rob, thanks for the idea of measuring the intake gap to the head surface. These heads were just re-done and the shop shaved .02. Also, I am working with an old EB intake that may not be perfect, so I do want to look at thoses angles.
What about the bolt torque on this?

Re: LA 360 Intake installation questions. [Re: cudabitten] #1662071
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The Intake is probably 40 years old? Yes it is used, no it does not have pitting. Yes Robert I will mock it up, Yes I will most likely use some high tack to help hold-em in place and provide more sealing. Yes I will through the tin ones over the roof. Paul, I dont know where to get the factory foam seals plus I already have the FelPro ones, but I wil not block off the crossover...come on Scratch, you know I'm in PA! I will be using a new EB 1406 the one with the electric choke. I also have a thick carb gasket. Rob, thanks for the idea of measuring the intake gap to the head surface. These heads were just re-done and the shop shaved .02. Also, I am working with an old EB intake that may not be perfect, so I do want to look at thoses angles.
What about the bolt torque on this?





The following is from a thread I had before just talking about tuning the 1406. It was a good read and swapping over to a tuning chart for the 1405 was a night and day difference in performance. Why the 1406 is so lean ootb compared to the 1405 makes no sense to me. Check out the Linky.

Prev thread: I've been reading all over the web, and in the edelbrock owners manual, about the performer series carbs and I feel a lot more prepared to do some tuning on this thing. This one http://vb.foureyedpride.com/archive/index.php/t-74438.html offered some interesting thoughts/opinions with other guys trying it and reporting great results, so I copied ijt and was very happy with the results as well.

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