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Alterkation drag only setup #1657830 08/11/14 11:23 PM 08/11/14 11:23 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 314 Medina, OH D dart440_72 OP enthusiast
dart440_72 OP enthusiast D Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 314 Medina, OH	So I have been considering an Alterkation setup for the front of my 72 Dart. The car is a drag car that sees very limited street. I like the fact that the rack and pinion is there. The stock steering on my car is pretty sketchy, maybe the box needs to be rebuilt, or maybe that is how old Mopar boxes are. So I just wanted some feedback from people that have used this setup and how it works. Is there enough front end travel for launch? how is stability at the top end? Thanks in advance! 72 Dart 500" low deck Indy SR heads. 10.40 @129 best so far

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: dart440_72] #1657831 08/11/14 11:42 PM 08/11/14 11:42 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	It is the most copied mopar aftermarket front end, I think that in itself speaks volumes. And IMO, they copy it not to improve it, but to try and get a piece of the $ action, so having a lower price helps in that regard, but its still a copy. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: jcc] #1657832 08/11/14 11:43 PM 08/11/14 11:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas	I am pretty sure Magnumforce was first by a few years.

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: Al_Alguire] #1657833 08/11/14 11:58 PM 08/11/14 11:58 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,880 S.E. South Dakota ! bigdad Still Posting A Lot
bigdad Still Posting A Lot Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,880 S.E. South Dakota !	I put one on the Valiant The price is crazy $5500 shipped to me Nice piece , I wanted to buy it raw and less some stuff to get it cheaper, nope The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: dart440_72] #1657834 08/12/14 12:14 AM 08/12/14 12:14 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,385 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula I Live Here
Dragula I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,385 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	I have two Magnum Force units on two cars, what do you want to know? One is street/strip, the other race only for now... '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: bigdad] #1657835 08/12/14 12:20 AM 08/12/14 12:20 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: I put one on the Valiant The price is crazy $5500 shipped to me Nice piece , I wanted to buy it raw and less some stuff to get it cheaper, nope You can buy a Strange strut assembly with everything but the rack for $1800-$2000 and thats with brakes.. this is the way I went on the Rampage.. lighter and way cheaper

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: bigdad] #1657836 08/12/14 12:22 AM 08/12/14 12:22 AM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,082 St. Paul , Mn. tubtar master
tubtar master Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,082 St. Paul , Mn.	I got mine without motor mounts , but with everything else a couple - three years back and it came unpainted. It was less than 5.5k , but inflation and pricing on the stuff Bill doesn't build might explain the jump. I haven't had mine rolling under power yet , but I think I am days away. Quality of build and materials is first rate though.

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: Dragula] #1657837 08/12/14 12:24 AM 08/12/14 12:24 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 12,587 Great Neck,LI,new york hemi-itis I Live Here
hemi-itis I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 12,587 Great Neck,LI,new york	Quote: I have two Magnum Force units on two cars, what do you want to know? One is street/strip, the other race only for now... On the street/strip car, does the rack turn as much as the stock box?? What made you go with MF ?? HEMI-ITIS has no cure. My condition is fully BLOWN!!

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: Dragula] #1657838 08/12/14 12:24 AM 08/12/14 12:24 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,826 las vegas 70AARcuda master
70AARcuda master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,826 las vegas	http://hemidenny.com/ http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=224738&highlight=hemi+denny might want to look at this one also...he builds a complete A body front end with rack n pinion steering...plus coil over shock front end. Tony 70 AARCuda Vitamin C 71 Dart Swinger 360 10.318 @ 128.22(10-04-14 Bakersfield) 71 Demon 360 10.666 @122.41 (01-29-17 @ Las Vegas) 71 Duster 408 (10.29 @ 127.86 3/16/19 Las Vegas)

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: dart440_72] #1657839 08/12/14 12:25 AM 08/12/14 12:25 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,002 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,002 Oregon	Might depend on how much front suspension travel you need to make your car hook. The stock setup works pretty well on slower cars, on really fast cars you'll probably want a strut setup. The AlterK is designed for cars in the middle.

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: AndyF] #1657840 08/12/14 12:49 AM 08/12/14 12:49 AM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa 1967dartgt master
1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	Love mine, been 162mph with it. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: 1967dartgt] #1657841 08/12/14 12:51 AM 08/12/14 12:51 AM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa 1967dartgt master
1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	It's probably the least expensive of them all. Built by STR fab. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: 1967dartgt] #1657842 08/12/14 01:06 AM 08/12/14 01:06 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,826 las vegas 70AARcuda master
70AARcuda master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,826 las vegas	pdf file from hemi denny front end.. 8237447-HDKK-Frame.pdf (748 downloads) Tony 70 AARCuda Vitamin C 71 Dart Swinger 360 10.318 @ 128.22(10-04-14 Bakersfield) 71 Demon 360 10.666 @122.41 (01-29-17 @ Las Vegas) 71 Duster 408 (10.29 @ 127.86 3/16/19 Las Vegas)

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: 70AARcuda] #1657843 08/12/14 01:08 AM 08/12/14 01:08 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,826 las vegas 70AARcuda master
70AARcuda master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,826 las vegas	updated picture... 8237452-IMG_20140226_142723_218.jpg (382 downloads) Tony 70 AARCuda Vitamin C 71 Dart Swinger 360 10.318 @ 128.22(10-04-14 Bakersfield) 71 Demon 360 10.666 @122.41 (01-29-17 @ Las Vegas) 71 Duster 408 (10.29 @ 127.86 3/16/19 Las Vegas)

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: 1967dartgt] #1657844 08/12/14 01:14 AM 08/12/14 01:14 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,185 aZLiViN J J_BODY I Live Here
J_BODY I Live Here J Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,185 aZLiViN	sorry... only been a buck twenty and some change so far . I have no regrets so far with the tube K. Header builder appreciated how the frame tubes were tucked tight to the frame. The Alter-k ones protrude into the engine bay quite a bit as he "noted" on a couple other builds. Love the room, no working around torsion bars, steers like a dream. Can't wait to put more to it!

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: J_BODY] #1657845 08/12/14 01:21 AM 08/12/14 01:21 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again Moparnut426 I Live Here
Moparnut426 I Live Here Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again	Quote: sorry... only been a buck twenty and some change so far . I have no regrets so far with the tube K. Header builder appreciated how the frame tubes were tucked tight to the frame. The Alter-k ones protrude into the engine bay quite a bit as he "noted" on a couple other builds. Love the room, no working around torsion bars, steers like a dream. Can't wait to put more to it! What kit is this?

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: J_BODY] #1657846 08/12/14 01:40 AM 08/12/14 01:40 AM
Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,563 Janesville, WI SpareParts pro stock
SpareParts pro stock Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,563 Janesville, WI	J body, is there any kind of a strut rod on the LCA? it seems pretty narrow to me (keeping in mind that triangles are stronger) I'm sure it works for strip use but wonder how it would handle street abuse. Just thinking out loud, maybe learn something

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: SpareParts] #1657847 08/12/14 02:08 AM 08/12/14 02:08 AM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA bigtimeauto Trophy Winner
bigtimeauto Trophy Winner Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA	I use a alterkation in my Dart. If you ever plan on doing any stock suspension racing or KOS, DO not put struts in it. BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: SpareParts] #1657848 08/12/14 02:17 AM 08/12/14 02:17 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,185 aZLiViN J J_BODY I Live Here
J_BODY I Live Here J Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,185 aZLiViN	It's a race car and was built as such.... Mike at Comp Chassis in Glendale AZ made this one. Not his first rodeo. As far as I know he doesn't sell them "as is", but will make them for the car. If I would have kept the Mirada this would have been the next step. Losing pounds off the front of that car would have been great!

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: bigtimeauto] #1657849 08/12/14 02:19 AM 08/12/14 02:19 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,185 aZLiViN J J_BODY I Live Here
J_BODY I Live Here J Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,185 aZLiViN	.....speaking of easier to work on, love that open engine compartment Bigtimeauto!

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